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Leto II 
Registered: Jan '00
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 7:22pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
DUGGY posted:
BothofUs posted:
I love that DSinister just comes in with the 'real answer' then he reveals that it's just from a book.

Fact is, when it's not on screen, you can have it be any reason you want. Stop stealing people's imagination, Sinister. Is this forum not to include EU?


Ouch! shock , But yeah, i was always under the impression that EU does not count here. does it?

It's as "real" as the films themselves, moreso if the only answers to be had come from strictly the non-filmic sources alone.

That said, the Outer Rim Sieges covered a period of roughly five long months, during which time the Separatist strategy involved a CIS core (around Sluis Van, purportedly) with vast picket fleets strewn about. Until the Republic built up a big enough force, they couldn't puncture through the fence to the Separatist fortifications. Saleucami, Boz Pity, Mygeeto, Felucia, et al.

The Separatists drew the Republic into the sieges, on a total pretense by Darth Sidious, with Grievous then going on the offensive against the free worlds in the Inner Rim. Though, the Republic did try to defend every front their forces, Palpatine having committed roughly half of Courscant's own elite guard (200,000 clone troopers) to the campaign, to say nothing of the "Open Circle" fleet itself, supposedly tasked with safeguarding the capital world.

The Outer Rim Sieges are first set up in the novels Jedi Trial and Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, covered at length in SW: Republic and the Obsession mini-series from Dark Horse, with the final endgame occurring in Labyrinth of Evil and the Clone Wars animated series.

 

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The_Chibi_Kiriyama 
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 7:34pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
I think it's kind of interesting that in 5 months of Anakin being in the Outer Rim Padme doesn't show a sign of being knocked up until a little while after he arrives. Just an observation...

 

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Leto II 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 7:48pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
Funny you should mention that...someone just started up a thread on this very subject today over in SW Lit.

 

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voodoopuuduu 
Registered: Mar '04
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 8:25pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
I think it's kind of interesting that in 5 months of Anakin being in the Outer Rim Padme doesn't show a sign of being knocked up until a little while after he arrives. Just an observation...

That dress shes wearing can hide at least 2 basketballs. tongue

 

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The_Chibi_Kiriyama 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 8:28pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
It's jsut odd that she's a little more than 5 months preggers with twins and doesn't even have the trademark bump. Either she was anorexic when they bumped the buoy or that dress of hers is the secret staging area for the Death Star as well.

 

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Yodas-evil-twin 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 8:31pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
The_Chibi_Kiriyama posted:
It's jsut odd that she's a little more than 5 months preggers with twins and doesn't even have the trademark bump. Either she was anorexic when they bumped the buoy or that dress of hers is the secret staging area for the Death Star as well.


Her public outfits at the time are designed to hide her pregnancy. So if you can't see it, that means its working. Don't believe me, ask Sinister. He'll probably manage to dig up a quote that supports it.

 

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WitchKing66 
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 8:56pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
voodoopuuduu posted:
When Anakin meets Padme behind a column in the Senate office building hallway, one of
the things he says to her is : "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think
they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges". A few scenes later in
the Jedi council chambers, we see Mace, Yoda and Eeth Koth basically sitting on their
butts. Yoda later volunteers to go help the Wookies, a task which IMO, is of lesser
importance than saving the Chancellor. My question is, why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half
way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles
away ? The Outer Rim was still under siege as Kashyyyk is somewhere around there. And if
they suspected Dooku along with Grevious was holding Palps, Anakin and Obi-Wan would
not be the best decision to send, ie AOTC. Yoda should have been the one to go. So what
is it, Yoda, Mace or Eeth cant pilot a ship ? Or are they just plain lazy ? Or prima
donnas ?
Any thoughts ?



very good point; however i think u got it wrong ...
u see when the seppies attack coresucant, they penetrated the inner defense of republic, the capital no less; that was a bold move ... when that happened regardless of chancellor being captured or not they (HQ Jedi Temple) probably call whoever they could to coresucant sector of space ... in my way of thinking anakin and OB1 didnt come b/c of the chancellor but simply because of the audacity of that bold move ... a bold move is usally performed by an animal that is trapped, and an animal that is trapped strikes hard ...samething for the seppies; the general consus was that they attack Republic's nervous center (and they hit some nerves!!!) and from there they would comitted some devastating orbital bombardments... that called for reinforcement from whereever they could get ...

for me from a military point of view, the only thing that doenst make sense to me in ROTS is the situation in Kashyyyk ....

u see Kashyyyk is an entire planet... its not clear how much troops the seppies have landed on, but iam just not sure how the hell the seppies are planing to control an entire planet with handfull of sources ...
i say handfull of sources for the following reason ==> the great Master Windu in all his wisdom send Yoda and a BATTALION of clonetroopers to help the wookies ... that suggest that the seppies forces in Kashyyyk are at most a few battalions; so with a few battalions (~one regiment of the battledriods) the seppies were going to capture Kashyyyk; when u hear OB1 saying "Kashyyyk is a system we cannot to loose" we are thinking in terms of full planetary invasion, not that lousy ONE battalion of clones and commanded by one of the least expendable of the Jedi Masters to Kashyyyk ...its ridicoulus and lousy writing ... according to ROTS's script (not in the final cut) OB1 took two full clone brigades for the campaing in Utaupa ... thats more like it

 

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The_Chibi_Kiriyama 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 9:19pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
"Her public outfits at the time are designed to hide her pregnancy. So if you can't see it, that means its working. Don't believe me, ask Sinister. He'll probably manage to dig up a quote that supports it."

Uhh...in the scene in the shadows behind the pillar the dress seems to go straight down. That's one heckuva outfit she's wearing. Any room for the Ewoks?

"When Anakin meets Padme behind a column in the Senate office building hallway, one of
the things he says to her is : "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think
they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges". A few scenes later in
the Jedi council chambers, we see Mace, Yoda and Eeth Koth basically sitting on their
butts. Yoda later volunteers to go help the Wookies, a task which IMO, is of lesser
importance than saving the Chancellor. My question is, why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half
way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles
away ? The Outer Rim was still under siege as Kashyyyk is somewhere around there. And if
they suspected Dooku along with Grevious was holding Palps, Anakin and Obi-Wan would
not be the best decision to send, ie AOTC. Yoda should have been the one to go. So what
is it, Yoda, Mace or Eeth cant pilot a ship ? Or are they just plain lazy ? Or prima
donnas ?"

Ever thought that maybe they themselves were busy? Mace tried to stop them and was unsuccessful. Plus, they didn't know where the Invisible Hand was to go next- they had to move quickly. Oh, why look- there goes Ani and Obi in their hyperspace-compatible starships. Huh. confused

 

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voodoopuuduu 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 9:25pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
that called for reinforcement from whereever they could get ...

Yes, but my point was why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles away ? grin

Yeah, we dont really know all the details of the population density of Kashyyyk. It could be that the small village we saw in the film was the capital of the whole darn planet. tongue

 

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darth-sinister 
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Date Posted: 11/12/05 11:12pm Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
1. Eeth Koth is dead. Agen Kolar is in ROTS.

2. Palpatine wanted Anakin there so that he can kill Dooku and Dooku can kill Obi-wan.

3. There have been women who don't look that pregnant early on.

4. The outfits were designed to hide her gut. That's what Ian McCraig said of them for ROTS.

 

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dude4c 
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 6:58am Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
right if she doesn't look prego, it's because she doesn't want to. we hear her concern that if the queen of Naboo finds out that she will not want her to serve in the senate. Padme hides her pregnacy for a reason.

i like the military insight to this thread. some nice post.

 

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JMN77 
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 8:24am Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
voodoopuuduu posted:
Is this forum not to include EU?

Unfortunately, thats about as close to canon as were going to get. The thing is, the line "If the Chancellor hadnt been kidnapped, I dont think they would have ever brought us back from the Outer Rim seiges" wasnt necessary at all for the movie. I think it was just to tie up the Clone Wars cartoon. A better line may have been "I didnt think we would ever get back" period.
Was'nt it? If that line was'nt there I bet a lot of people would'nt have gathered that Anakin was away from Padme a long time. It would have just seemed that Obi and Ani lifted off from Coruscant to rescue the Chancellor. Not everyone watched Clone Wars, myself included and I've been a die-hard fan since '77. These films are made for everybody to understand, not just the fans who already know everything. peace

 

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theN00_Jedi 
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 9:26am Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
voodoopuuduu posted:
that called for reinforcement from whereever they could get ...

Yes, but my point was why drag Anakin and Obi-Wan half way across the galaxy to save the Chancellor when Yoda, Mace and Eeth are only 70 miles away ? grin


I think the most important point here is that Mace and Yoda aren't Star Destroyers, where as the things that Anakin and Obiwan arrived in, were peace

 

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voodoopuuduu 
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 10:00am Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
Was'nt it? If that line was'nt there I bet a lot of people would'nt have gathered that Anakin was away from Padme a long time. It would have just seemed that Obi and Ani lifted off from Coruscant to rescue the Chancellor

Good point, and I agree somewhat. But as it is now, we have the people wondering about the outer rim seiges and why he was away. grin Maybe explaining the fact that he was away for a long time could have been worked in with the previous scenes with Obi-Wan.

 

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JMN77 
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Date Posted: 11/13/05 10:47am Subject: RE: Back from the Outer Rim sieges
voodoopuuduu posted:
Was'nt it? If that line was'nt there I bet a lot of people would'nt have gathered that Anakin was away from Padme a long time. It would have just seemed that Obi and Ani lifted off from Coruscant to rescue the Chancellor

Good point, and I agree somewhat. But as it is now, we have the people wondering about the outer rim seiges and why he was away. grin Maybe explaining the fact that he was away for a long time could have been worked in with the previous scenes with Obi-Wan.
Yeah, I like that idea!

 

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