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darth-sinister
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12/20/05 10:59pm
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My mom and sister are Star Wars fans and they felt bad that this happened to him. I don't think they cried when he burst into flames, but they did understand the situation. They saw what he had become, because of his failings. Same as I do. I do feel a bit sorry for him, because he brought this upon himself. He did want to do the right thing, but he got things mixed up.
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sithrules70
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COMMANDER76 posted:
Why would anyone cry for Anakin?
If that was GL's intention then he failed badly indeed because no "regular" SW fan I've ever spoken to felt sorry for Anakin during that segment....everyone felt bad for Padme,Kenobi,Mace and the other fallen Jedi.
Its not shot in a manner that makes us feel sorry or bad for Anakin.....unless you're a super Anakin fan.
We're meant to feel for him during his moment of decision in the Mace/Sidious duel...but little after.
I know SW is Anakin's story...but the above mentioned acts seem filmed more so to Kenobi's(the right side) POV.
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lovelucas
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12/21/05 4:41am
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everyone - every one of them - of friends who have seen RotS did indeed feel badly about anakin, about obiwan and the loss of everything...many have questioned obiwan "deserting" anakin - but sympathy was there for both characters.
and i too have a history degree - and see historical lessons remembered by george as well as those philosophical.
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sithrules70
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12/21/05 5:02am
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poor kenobi had my attention on that scene.
no tears shed my SR70 
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RebelScum77
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12/21/05 5:42am
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COMMANDER76 posted:
Why would anyone cry for Anakin?
If that was GL's intention then he failed badly indeed because no "regular" SW fan I've ever spoken to felt sorry for Anakin during that segment....everyone felt bad for Padme,Kenobi,Mace and the other fallen Jedi.
Its not shot in a manner that makes us feel sorry or bad for Anakin.....unless you're a super Anakin fan.
We're meant to feel for him during his moment of decision in the Mace/Sidious duel...but little after.
I know SW is Anakin's story...but the above mentioned acts seem filmed more so to Kenobi's(the right side) POV.
This just isn't true. Lucas has definitely said you're supposed to feel pity for Anakin at the end. It's the reason we see him crying on Mustafar. There was actually a line where Anakin asks Obi-Wan for help while lying on the lava bank, but it was cut because it was a little too much. But the fact that it was originally there helps to show that Lucas wanted us to feel both pity and horror at what he'd become. Hell, even Padme still believes in him, that definitely is important. If we felt nothing but hate for him, why on Earth would we want Luke to redeem him later on? That just makes no dramatic sense. I feel like I post these quotes all the time because no one remembers them.
"There's always this good in you. And the good part is saying 'what am I doing?'. Then the bad part kicks in and says 'I'm doing this for Padme, I'm doing this for the galaxy and so we can have a better life'. But the good part is always saying 'WHAT AM I DOING?!"
--George Lucas to Hayden Christensen, Hyperspace Webdoc.
"The problem is that Anakin more or less sells his soul to the devil, and in doing so is FED A BUNCH OF PROPAGANDA, which HE IS FORCED TO BELIEVE BECAUSE OF THE POSITION HE'S IN. But it's all actually A CON, so you can be very sympathetic if you allow yourself to be DECIEVED BY THE CON as well."
--Hayden Christensen, SW INSIDER 82
“Anakin/Darth does what he does because he believes he’s doing it for the good of the universe.”
--Hayden Christensen, GQ Magazine
"If you start with Star Wars, then Vader's just the villain, and that's it. But you don't realize that he's a human being, that he's got problems you don't realize that he could have been saved, that he was tricked and can be resurrected."
--George Lucas
"The part I am working on now is mostly about Darth Vader, who he is, where he came from, how he became Luke and Leia’s father, what his relationship to Ben is. In Jedi the film is really about the redemption of this fallen angel. Ben is the fitting good angel, and Vader is the bad angel who started off good. All these years Ben has been waiting for Luke to come of age so that he can become a Jedi and redeem his father. That’s what Ben has been doing, but you don’t know this in the first film."
--George Lucas, quoted in L. Bouzereau, Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays
"You learn that Darth Vader isn’t this monster. He’s a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he’s trapped. He’s a sad, pathetic character, not a big evil monster. I mean, he’s a monster in that he’s turned to the Dark Side and he’s serving a bad master and he’s into power and he’s lost a lot of his humanity. In that way, he’s a monster, but beneath that, as Luke says in Return of the Jedi, early on, “I know there’s still good in you, I can sense it.” Only through the love of his children and the compassion of his children, who believe in him, even though he’s a monster, does he redeem himself."
--George Lucas, quoted in J. Windolf, “Star Wars: The Last Battle,” Vanity Fair, 2005
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sithrules70
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12/21/05 5:45am
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even with all those quotes i agree with C76 and think that lucas failed to make people feel sorry for him, all the fans i ve spoken too were sorry for obi wan and padme and mace.etcetc etc but not for anakin
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Sidious_T
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I personally felt sorry for Obi the most. Not Padme, as she wasn't too bright to see what he was all about. And Anakin, not at all.
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sithrules70
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obi wan wasnt too bright either to see what he was about, no one knew until the truth was evident
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AnnLouise
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farrellg posted:
I don't think it matter is you commit atrocities with your bare hands, with a space station, or with your underlings. The Emperor is more evil than Vader even though he hasn't killed as many people with his bare hands. Tarkin blew up an entire planet, which seems just as evil as the things Anakin has done.
Maybe because Tarkin and the Emperor are not presented as the main character of the Saga by GL. They are the Evil Flunky(Tarkin) and the cackling Evil Ruler(Palpatine). We don't know anything about their inner lives, their personal relationships, we aren't asked to sympathize with them as they grow up. With Anakin, we as the audience are asked to do all those things, then watch that same character commit genocide.
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I shed a tear or two, but not for Vaderkin, for Obi-Wan. The guy's whole life was just turned upside down. His face during the "Chosen One" speech says it all. That gets my sympathy, not "I hate you!"
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RolandofGilead
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12/21/05 11:14am
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I didn't cry then. As I said before, I felt more emotions for the lost Jedi and especially for Obi-wan. But I will say that after the initial days of RotS release, when I was watching AFI's tribute to George Lucas they had a montage of scenes from all the SW films before showing Obi-wan's final lament. There was a shot of little innocent Jake Lloyd among all the others and it just broke my heart. To think that he went from such goodness to a fate literally worse than death really touched me.
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darth-sinister
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12/21/05 11:36am
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Watch "A Life Redeemed" on the "Star Wars: A Musical Journey". It really does it well with Anakin.
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RolandofGilead
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If I could only find my disc. I pulled it out of the DVD player when the complaining got too loud and stuffed it into another DVD case. I just can't remember which one. 
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One time, I put my Attack of the Clones DVD into a Blockbuster case and dropped it in the drop-off slot. Worst day a my life....
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Nooo!!!
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