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Did Lucas betray Padme?
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Darth_Zoo
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11/19/05 11:16pm
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RE: Did Lucas betray Padme?
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It's unfortunate we didn't see more of Padme and the political side but the movie would have been too long. I'm glad we have AotC for the political/action hero Padme. RotS is for the scared pregnant side of Padme.
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Tiershon_Fett
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11/20/05 8:40am
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I think GL didn't serve women well by having Padme be this weak. And she's not!
I think it's because GL finds mothers disposable. He often mentions his kids never needed a mother. I don't agree. He does have a whole extended family that has always been near/with his kids, and they are a loving bunch. Most families are not billionaires. Mothers are all many ordinary children have in terms of unconditional love.
I look at Padme's OOC end as many factors coming together.
First of all, she is under tons of stress. She's feeling stung by the end of her world. She's hiding a pregnancy. She's not seen her husband for months, and she in madly in love with him. He comes back and then turns to the darkside, raping her ideals and values, and then he chokes her, knocking her out, and then she knows when Obi-wan comes back, that he's dead. She has lost everything, is under too much physical strain, and pregnant women can have heart problems. I think the combination of being abused by Anakin, watching his miserable descent into madness, and her whole purpose in life going away professionaly, made her heart give out. There's nothing left for her, and she's also bonded to Anakin, so his pain might have crossed over to her.
Too overwhelming for her, who's had to put up a false front for months, and is physically, hormonally, emotionally and spiritually crushed.
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YYZ-2112
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11/20/05 12:15pm
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Tiershon_Fett posted:
I think GL didn't serve women well by having Padme be this weak. And she's not!
I think it's because GL finds mothers disposable. He often mentions his kids never needed a mother. I don't agree. He does have a whole extended family that has always been near/with his kids, and they are a loving bunch. Most families are not billionaires. Mothers are all many ordinary children have in terms of unconditional love.
I look at Padme's OOC end as many factors coming together.
First of all, she is under tons of stress. She's feeling stung by the end of her world. She's hiding a pregnancy. She's not seen her husband for months, and she in madly in love with him. He comes back and then turns to the darkside, raping her ideals and values, and then he chokes her, knocking her out, and then she knows when Obi-wan comes back, that he's dead. She has lost everything, is under too much physical strain, and pregnant women can have heart problems. I think the combination of being abused by Anakin, watching his miserable descent into madness, and her whole purpose in life going away professionaly, made her heart give out. There's nothing left for her, and she's also bonded to Anakin, so his pain might have crossed over to her.
Too overwhelming for her, who's had to put up a false front for months, and is physically, hormonally, emotionally and spiritually crushed.
I have no problem buying into this line of logic; except that she was already dying in a state of perfect health. The droid is quite clear in that medically she was healthy which is why they didn't understand what was happening since she was dying. Obi Wan is also shocked most likely because he's watching the situation progress and this comes at him from left field.
If the droid had said anything remotely suggesting that her heart is failing to sustain her or that her stress levels have overloaded her heart or brain pathways etc, then I could buy into that. But their only explanation is that she has lost the will to live. I could also buy into this if she demonstated this as well, but naming her kids and defending the father with her last breath isn't the characteristic of one who has given up but the characteristic of one losing a struggle. And consider that the film suggests that she developed a sense of being able to feel Anakin's feelings perhaps through the midichlorians of her unborn children. Giving birth would sever that connection. Who knows what kind of impact that would have with something as alien as the force in the mix. The film is very clear in that it says one thing but shows another.
I think Lucas said somewhere that he's a show me don't tell me type of film maker, but don't take that as a quote because I can't back it up.
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darth_frared
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11/20/05 1:40pm
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good posts, yyz (can't remember the rest of your name 
i like the poetry of her death, actually. and i don't buy the broken heart and subsequent lost will either. i think she dies of her own volition. because she can go. does that make sense? she gives all to her kids and she wants to make sure that she delivers this last message to obi-wan.
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battlewars
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11/20/05 1:43pm
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i still think natalie portman was a good idea its just the lame character she had to play, you could say the same thing for hayden
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11/20/05 3:52pm
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PADME: Have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side?
ANAKIN: What do you mean?
PADME: What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists, and the Republic has become the very evil we have been fighting to destroy?
ANAKIN: I don't believe that. And you're sounding like a Separatist!
PADME: Anakin, this war represents a failure to listen . . . Now, you're closer to the Chancellor than anyone. Please, please ask him to stop the fighting and let diplomacy resume.
 pretty much explains her political side
I think that both Hayden and Natalie were the perfect people to do Anakin and Padme. Also I didn't think they could've gotten to do better characters for the film.
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Senator_Lorena
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11/20/05 7:19pm
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Lucas could have afforded to include a little more of Padme's political side. Deleting all of the scenes related to the beginnings of the rebellion was unfortunate. I understand he did not want to bog down the movie, but I still question his treatment of Padme's character.
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sithrules70
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11/20/05 7:24pm
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battlewars posted:
i still think natalie portman was a good idea its just the lame character she had to play, you could say the same thing for hayden
lame...the saga..is about..him... 
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Eirate_rules
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11/20/05 7:34pm
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I think he should have made her stronger.
She kicked a$$ in AotC, but she died because she "lost the will to live".
Yes, Lucas did betray my role model.
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sithrules70
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your bio does the talking for you on this subject 
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Eirate_rules
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11/21/05 3:28am
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Thank you sithrules70, I am glad you agree
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tinkerbelle
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11/21/05 6:46pm
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Padme was great in Ep 1 & 2.
It was Lucas's intention from the very beginning that Padme would die.
If you recall however, Leia tells Luke she does remember a little about her mother. In the original SW novel, Leia recalls hiding in a trunk with her mother.
I wish Padme had lived a little longer and become a leader in the rebellion.
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Lyvia
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Jun '05
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11/24/05 10:23pm
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I always have to get involved when it has to do with Padme in ROTS. Did Lucas betray her character, I dont see how he could betray her when he wroter her that way. I do think the portrayal of Anakin and Padme portrays Luke and Leia; these two were smart, dedicated, and learned from their mistakes. Anakin and Padme give up to easily and fall for the stupidest traps. No one expects Padme to be running around like she was in 1*2 being physical does not necessarily portray you as strong. Leia was a strong character because of her personality not just because she could hit any target with any weapon. It is Padme's personality that makes her weak not her lack of physical activity. She is too wrapped up in Anakin and doesnt care about anything else; and she does not care about her family because if she did she wouldnt have abandoned her children. Its obvious Lucas tried to copy Shakespeare and Greek tragedies but he failed miserably. Padme's death can symbolize the death of the republic BUT SHE STILL HAS TO HAVE AN ACTUAL REASON FOR DYING!!!!! She just keels over for no reason, and the broken heart excuse doesnt work because people die of broken hearts after time passes and not just 5minutes. Leia's identity did get overshadowed by Luke's in ROTJ but she still had a purpose, she may have been overshadowed but she didnt loose herself. Leia can sit back and do nothing and still portray power; Padme cant. I dont know who Leia gets her strength from unless nurture really does trump nature.
I only have two problems with the Padme character, when she was sitting in her room doing absolutely nothing but watching her nails waiting for Anakin and her death which makes absolutely no sense. Everything else was fine IMO, I felt the one scene with her in the senate was enough of the political and it showed how she felt about what was happening. There was no reason for Padme to die and it totally screws up Leia's memories. And I dont understand why people insist GL didnt want Anakin to be a murderer when HE IS A MURDERER!!!! WHERE YOU BLINKING WHEN HE KILLED THOSE CHILDREN?!?! Who's fault is it exactly that Padme "lost the will to live" cause it sure wasn't jar jars. Anakin did kill her as Obi would say "from a certain point of view". GL should have been a man and taken it where he obviously wanted it to go and had him choke her, cause her to go into premature labor and die in child birth.
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darth-sinister
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11/24/05 10:29pm
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I don't think it was a case of being a man. I think it's what Lucas wanted to do. He wanted to have this romantic, tragic angle. Rather just cold brutality.
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DarkerDonnieDarko
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12/19/05 9:21am
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I say yes. All the females were weak in the Saga.
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