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Did Lucas betray Padme?
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Lyvia
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Date Posted:
1/11/06 7:41pm
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RE: Did Lucas betray Padme?
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I HAVE SAID THIS 20MILLION TIMES ALREADY!!! NO ONE EXPECTS PADME TO BE AN ACTION HERO WHILE SHE IS PREGNANT! Do I have to say this every 5 sentences so people like you will stop trying to put words in my mouth! Being strong does not have everything to do with physical strength; Padme was strong in TPM prior to that lame war sequence. She was once strong emotionally and mentally and then Lucas turns her into an idiot just because he needs her to die before the movie ends. There are dozens of strong females and males who portray this without getting physical. Padme is reduced to an ornament who is just there to get knocked up; Lucas copied the Leia and Luke motiff when he made Anakin and Padme:
Blonde boy, orphan, lives on a desert planet, gets plucked off it by a jedi mentor and has a total sweet spot for brunettes
Brunette girl raised on a beautiful planet surronded by pomp and grandeur, becomes a politician at a young age and gets saved by said blonde boy from desert planet.
Lucas started padme off as being strong and a potential mother of Leia he just got lazy and needed to write her off quick. Dang Padme could have been betrayed as strong if she had atleast fought for her children instead of leaving them to clean up her mess. And yes Leia is suppose to redeem Padme like Luke redeems Anakin, but atleast Anakin had a back bone and didn't go out because he lost the will to live
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darth-sinister
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Date Posted:
1/12/06 12:03am
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It's not just to kill her. But to make her more human. By showing that she has emotions other than being nuteral. She's a woman in love who is losing her husband every minute. This is not Leia Organa. This is Padme Amidala. She may share many of the same traits as her daughter, but ultimately she is human and subject to human frailities. Just as Anakin went from the kind and caring boy to the monster that is Vader, so has Padme gone from being the strong willed woman to a woman with an emotional crutch to her husband. Leia becomes emotional weak when Luke reveals that their history and that he's going to face their father. The only difference is that her heart isn't broken, like it is with Padme.
In the end, she's like Anakin. Too emotionally attached.
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DarthSerta
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1/12/06 8:21am
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Padmé ´s role it´s linked to Palpatine´s role in Anakin´s life . His influnence in Anakins grows as Padmé´s disappears . In the deleted scenes we see how Palpatine mines their relation of trust.
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Lyvia
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1/12/06 10:13pm
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It is clear that Padme has to be erased it is how she is erased that is the problem. I would have rather seen her head blown off than just for her to give up for no reason. So her husband is an idiot SO WHAT! Ive stated this many times before but many other people in this saga had better reasons to give up on life but they continued to fight and none of them had a better reason than Padme who should hav tried to atleast fight for her children.
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SarlaccSurvivor
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Date Posted:
1/12/06 10:48pm
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Lyvia posted:
Lucas started padme off as being strong and a potential mother of Leia he just got lazy and needed to write her off quick. Dang Padme could have been betrayed as strong if she had atleast fought for her children instead of leaving them to clean up her mess. And yes Leia is suppose to redeem Padme like Luke redeems Anakin, but atleast Anakin had a back bone and didn't go out because he lost the will to live
Yes, Anakin did die because he lost the will to live; he couldn't bear the thought of life without Padme. The only difference is that Anakin doesn't die physically; he only dies spiritually when his soul is taken over by Darth Vader. But Anakin's and Padme's downfalls are very similar. Sure, TPM Padme would have fought for her children, but TPM Anakin wouldn't have gone to the dark side either. Padme's didn't lose the will to live because Lucas got lazy. She did so to create a parallel to Anakin, who also lost the will to live, and to create a contrast with Luke and Leia, who could have but didn't.
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ObiWanIsTheOne
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1/12/06 10:51pm
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SarlaccSurvivor you pointed something interesting out. How TPM Anakin and Padme would have made different choices. They've grown since then and it reflects in their choices later on. Nice observation and comparison.
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Lyvia
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Date Posted:
1/17/06 12:30am
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Dont pull that Anakin isnt Vader crap with me, they are the same person only 2 sides of a different coin. Trying to pretend Vader isnt Anakin is excusing the horrible things Anakin did. Vader is nothing but a different name for the slave from a desert planet. Unless Anakin all of a sudden becomes a skitzo then he and Vader are the same person. Anakin didnt give up on life neither did Obi Wan or Yoda and they actually had reasons for it. Anakin took a different turn down a wrong path and he continued to fight for what he beleived in even though it was the wrong things.
And Padme was human in TPM and AOTC in ROTS she is just pathetic! Humans dont give up that easily for no reason. It would be fine for her to die of a broken heart if it was more realistic and not in 5seconds while she is taking her children into death with her.
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