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MasterKazur
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I laughed my butt off... 
It was my favorite part of the entire film.
Me and my friends actually started cheering and clapping and soon the entire threater joined us!
I absolutely loved how Sidious just kept frying the living hell of of him and then threw him out the window like yesterdays trash...
oh, I cried... sweet, sweet tears of joy.
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Darth-Mule
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Mace isn't dead. He hasn't hit the ground yet.
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brook_33
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It was one of the more disturbing deaths to me. When I read this part in J.W. Titus' fan novel I was saying to myself the entire time: "DON'T DO IT, ANAKIN!!!"
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MystikalMaceWindu
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Lots of signs here as to why there were and are all those anti-Mace threads and posts.
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yoshifett
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MystikalMaceWindu posted:
Lots of signs here as to why there were and are all those anti-Mace threads and posts.
Well, clearly Mace isn't a completely likable character. If he was, then people wouldn't have this conflicted view of him. I don't think we're supposed to think that Mace is a perfect Jedi. He embodies many of the flaws that lead to the downfall of the Jedi order. And it's very ironic that abandoning his Jedi principles is the reason he dies.
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MystikalMaceWindu
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yoshifett posted:
MystikalMaceWindu posted:
Lots of signs here as to why there were and are all those anti-Mace threads and posts.
Well, clearly Mace isn't a completely likable character. If he was, then people wouldn't have this conflicted view of him. I don't think we're supposed to think that Mace is a perfect Jedi. He embodies many of the flaws that lead to the downfall of the Jedi order. And it's very ironic that abandoning his Jedi principles is the reason he dies.
I don't think he abandoned them. I think he was doing what was right.
What I've found to be a contradiction among many of the anti-Mace crowd (in their eyes, he can't do anything right), is that many of them praise QGJ for his rebelliousness and going outside the box, but when Mace does the same, he's guilty of violating the Jedi code. Seems in their eyes, QGJ being a rebel and defying the Council is cool, but Mace bending the rules to do what is right, and to save the Galaxy from oppression is not cool.
In the book, Yoda laments that he didn't adapt the Jedi to respond to the changes in the galaxy and counter the sneaky ways of the Sith. He was having them follow an ancient, old, outdated code.
It was Mace who sensed the plot to kill the Jedi, and it was Mace and Ki-Adi Mundi who wanted to take action, but Yoda did not. We all know it basically had to end the way it did, but if only Yoda could have changed his mindset and went along with Mace to arrest Palpatine, things could have been different.
I found Mace very likable. He was always keeping his cool. While others faltered, while others lost their heads, Mace remained cool and calm and under control. Seems only Mace could beat Palpatine at saber battling.
We see how easily Palpatine took out three of the top Jedi.
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yoshifett
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I love Mace, he's one of my favorite characters. But the Jedi code seems to be pretty clear about striking down unarmed prisoners. Even Lucas said that arresting Palps was the right thing to do.
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Magical_Maestro
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yoshi-fett posted:
He embodies many of the flaws that lead to the downfall of the Jedi order. And it's very ironic that abandoning his Jedi principles is the reason he dies.
Well, some people people "might" ascribe to this theory as to why Mace was unpopular, but for most (including myself) the problem with him was that the character, and the perfomance Sam Jackson turned in was simply awful. Flat, wooden dialouge delivered with such precision, one has to wonder if Jackson, given his resume, was actually "trying" to turn in the worst performance of his life. Incompetence beyond belief (I suspect a plot to destroy the Jedi Knights - "genius"), and the subesequent incongruent "deep thought" expressions that resemble those of an unclothed mannequin found in any-mall USA.
I've heard those that want to put down Mace-hate as being racially motivated, which IMO, is really, really grabbing at straws. I don't remember anyone going on and on about how much they hated Billy Dee Williams as Lando, and that was way back in 1980 - only a decade and a half after segregation ended. But yet they do with Mace, and for good reason. Unlike Lando who had panache and style, poor Windu (or shoud I say poor audience cause' we had to suffer him) was as flat and boring as a potato pancake after being run over by a dumptruck fifty times.
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DUGGY
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Well, some people people "might" ascribe to this theory as to why Mace was unpopular, but for most (including myself) the problem with him was that the character, and the perfomance Sam Jackson turned in was simply awful in every aspect of the word. Flat, wooden dialouge delivered with such precision, one has to wonder if Jackson, given his resume, was actually "trying" to turn in the worst performance of his life. Incompetence beyond belief (I suspect a plot to destroy the Jedi Knights - "genius"), and the subesequent incongruent "deep thought" expressions that resemble those of an unclothed mannequin in any-mall USA. I've heard those that want to put it down Mace-hate as being racially motivated, which is really, really grabbing at straws. I don't remember anyone going on and on about how much they hated Billy Dee Williams as Lando, and that was way back in 1980 - only a decade and a half after segregation ended. But yet they do with Mace, and for good reason. Unlike Lando who had panache and style, poor Windu (or shoud I say poor audience cause' we had to suffer him) was as flat and boring as a potato pancake after being run over by a dumptruck fifty times.
Don't hold back. tell us how you really feel.
Mace is hated and disliked because he was a dislikeable person. I don't care for him because he was arrogant, and lacked compassion , based on his foggy judgement and knowledge of certain situations . he sensed a plot alright. how could he not when it was crashing down on your head. He and the Jedi were too out of touch, and Mace epitomized that .
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Magical_Maestro
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Duggy posted:
Don't hold back. tell us how you really feel.
I'll never do otherwise my friend.  Another problem I failed to mention is that Jackson simply doesn't fit the role of a Jedi Knight. Think about it. Jedi Knight's are supposed to be passive, calm, and peaceful. Now ask yourself, do ANY of these qualities accurately describe Jackson in terms of his acting style? The whole PT I was just waiting for him to stand up, bust out the saber and say, "Qui-gon, Yoda, Obi-wan SHUT THE **** UP!" 
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AnakinSucks
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I was angry that Anakin got such a cheap shot in.
If it was one on one, Anakin would have ran from Windu IMO.
He would not even attempt to destroy somebody so much more powerful.
The only reason that he took on the superior Obi-wan, was because literally out of his mind at that point.
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Ani_Lover
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AnakinSucks posted:
I was angry that Anakin got such a cheap shot in.
If it was one on one, Anakin would have ran from Windu IMO.
He would not even attempt to destroy somebody so much more powerful.
The only reason that he took on the superior Obi-wan, was because literally out of his mind at that point.
Anakin would *NEVER* run from anybody. Mace Windu is not "So much more powerful". As many previous posts have stated, He's an arrogant wannabe Jedi that couldn't stick to his own Jedi Code. And he was a Master!
I'm not saying I don't like Mace, he's a pretty cool character, but he's pretty flawed. He was always riding Anakin about something. No wonder Ani showed his loyalties to Palps instead. The scene was pretty upsetting to me on a few levels but I didn't necessarily cry for Mace, I cried for Anakin and how desperate he became.
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AnakinSucks
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Ani_Lover posted:
AnakinSucks posted:
I was angry that Anakin got such a cheap shot in.
If it was one on one, Anakin would have ran from Windu IMO.
He would not even attempt to destroy somebody so much more powerful.
The only reason that he took on the superior Obi-wan, was because literally out of his mind at that point.
Anakin would *NEVER* run from anybody. Mace Windu is not "So much more powerful". As many previous posts have stated, He's an arrogant wannabe Jedi that couldn't stick to his own Jedi Code. And he was a Master!
I'm not saying I don't like Mace, he's a pretty cool character, but he's pretty flawed. He was always riding Anakin about something. No wonder Ani showed his loyalties to Palps instead. The scene was pretty upsetting to me on a few levels but I didn't necessarily cry for Mace, I cried for Anakin and how desperate he became.
He was always desperate.
Look at his display in AOTC. I have never seen a guy get so desperate over a girl before.
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Ani_Lover
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I *meant* desperate to save the love of his life and their unborn child.
Not desperate over "some girl"....
(And that wasn't just "some" girl. It was their destiny to be together)
P.S.
I've seen PLENTY of teenage boys get desperate.
Ones that were in a much easier situation than Anakin
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MystikalMaceWindu
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Ani_Lover posted:
AnakinSucks posted:
I was angry that Anakin got such a cheap shot in.
If it was one on one, Anakin would have ran from Windu IMO.
He would not even attempt to destroy somebody so much more powerful.
The only reason that he took on the superior Obi-wan, was because literally out of his mind at that point.
Anakin would *NEVER* run from anybody. Mace Windu is not "So much more powerful". As many previous posts have stated, He's an arrogant wannabe Jedi that couldn't stick to his own Jedi Code. And he was a Master!
I'm not saying I don't like Mace, he's a pretty cool character, but he's pretty flawed. He was always riding Anakin about something. No wonder Ani showed his loyalties to Palps instead. The scene was pretty upsetting to me on a few levels but I didn't necessarily cry for Mace, I cried for Anakin and how desperate he became.
Anakin was arrogant, reckless and thought he could walk on water. "You underestimate my power!" He thought he was as good as Yoda. The fact that Anakin wouldn't run from anyone is why he got his just desserts... carved up and burned. Mace is indeed more skilled than Anakin. Anakin's emotions and such get in the way of his potential. Anakin's the flawed, arrogant one.
Anakin is the "arrogant wannabe Jedi." Sounds like someone doesn't like Mace.
Mace isn't a wannabe. He's the head of the Jedi Council.
Anakin was an emotionally wounded individual, who believed the hype. And he was rude, cocky enough to question the Jedi Council, on more than one occasion.
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