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TheCRZA
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1/19/06 12:20pm
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Of course Mace deserved to die. He was cocky and blind,
happy to be lead around by his nose by the Chancellor.
Look, you mean to tell me that they know, KNOW, that
Jango was on both sides.
They know Jango was the clone prototype
and they know that Jango was in league with Dooku,
and they know that Dooku was in league with a Sith Lord.
And it never, ever occured to Mace that there
might be a connection to the clone template being on both sides?
Mace has been a foil of Anakin's since TPM.
You sense a plot to destroy the Jedi?
Well no kidding. You've only known the Sith have been
around for 13 years, lurking and striking from the shadows.
Do you think they were coming to make amends? Bury the hatchet?
It's like Julius Caesar saying "I sense a plot to destroy Caesar"
on the Ides of March.
Mace is not a sypmathetic character. He's a hardass.
Maybe he should have taken Anakin with him from the get go.
Or, better yet, gotten the hell off Coruscant.
He led 3 other Jedi to their demise.
The prophecy says, by their own understanding, only the chosen one can destroy
the sith and bring balance. Who does he take?
3 not-chosen one Jedi. And they all die. Wholesale.
No, no. Mace's demise was the warmest, fuzziest scene in the film...
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DUGGY
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CRZA that post brought a tear to me eye. 
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Super_Battle_Droid
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Not me, I can't stand Mace Windu.
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jd7
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I didn't cry, but I was shocked. Shocked in a good way that is, I couldn't believe what I was watching, it was possibly one of the best scenes in any of the SW movies. To this day, everytime I hear Mace Say "You have lost my lord", and Sidious goes "Noooo...Nooooo....NOOOOOO", I can't hold back the laughs, awesome, and funny at the same time.
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Icestar63
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 Its like Mace hated Anakin. I don't know why.If Mace was more nice to Anakin mabe Anakin could have helped Mace.
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RebelScum77
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DUGGY posted:
CRZA that post brought a tear to me eye.
LOL, me too. I never thought I'd go into ROTS with a beef aganist the Jedi, but after Yoda's advice to Anakin and the way Mace acted, it really did hit me that the Jedi may have needed a catastrophic event to put things back into their proper focus, as Obi-Wan and Yoda later saw. Star Wars really is an equal opportunity morality tale.
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Violetsaber
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RebelScum77 posted:
LOL, me too. I never thought I'd go into ROTS with a beef aganist the Jedi, but after Yoda's advice to Anakin and the way Mace acted, it really did hit me that the Jedi may have needed a catastrophic event to put things back into their proper focus, as Obi-Wan and Yoda later saw. Star Wars really is an equal opportunity morality tale.
Well, at least you recognize that Yoda and his half-witted advice to Anakin had something to do with Anakin's turn...I get a real kick out of fanboys who act like Yoda telling Anakin to rejoice when his wife dies was the height of wisdom.
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Magical_Maestro
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violetsaber posted:
Well, at least you recognize that Yoda and his half-witted advice to Anakin had something to do with Anakin's turn...I get a real kick out of fanboys who act like Yoda telling Anakin to rejoice when his wife dies was the height of wisdom.
Ain't that the truth. Old Georgie boy's genius writing for the PT turned the wisest Jedi Master into a chin-scratching, useless, inept moron. Toddler dialouge, Frank Oz's wild voice fluctuations, and a cartoonish CGI appearance - which is so phony looking in comparison to his realistic muppet incarnation - are the reasons why I don't even recognize PT Yoda and Yoda from the OT as being one in the same. Their complete diametric opposites in every facet. "Apples and oranges we are not."
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TheCRZA
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1/21/06 10:22am
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I get a real kick out of fanboys who act like Yoda telling Anakin to rejoice when his wife dies was the height of wisdom.
I'm just as critical of the Jedi in the PT as anyone,
but in all fairness, Yoda did not know Anakin was married.
Thus your analysis exaggerates Yoda's error.
I agree that it was a mistake to just tell him to
rejoice for the death of a loved one and train
himself to let go. Train himself?
What have the Jedi been doing for the last 13 years?
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death_dealer_amanda
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Mace's death scene was the worst scene in the whole movie.
bad acting, and it wasn't even cry worthy.
i laughed at it because that scene was so horribly acted, and because palpatine's face looked soo unrealistic.
that scene just sucked. it was pathetic.
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flenchgrain
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It was also lame how he screamed like a little baby when his hand was cut off. Dooku looked alot tougher loosing two hands and not screamming like a stuck pig. I think they could have done better for Mace.
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VanLiz
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I didn't cry. I was shocked. I thought that it was truly over for the Republic because I believe Mace could have stopped Palpatine if Anakin had not betrayed him.
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MacetheCouncillor
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1/23/06 3:35am
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TheCRZA posted:
I'm just as critical of the Jedi in the PT as anyone,
but in all fairness, Yoda did not know Anakin was married.
Thus your analysis exaggerates Yoda's error.
No more than accusing Mace for Anakin's turn when he tried to finish Palpatine the way some people do exaggerates Mace's error. Mace couldn't know of Anakin's attachment to Padmé any more than Yoda could. Yet, for some unknown reason, Yoda gets excused for his mistakes, whereas Mace only gets crap for his. That is a double standard.
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DUGGY
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1/24/06 11:29pm
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Ain't that the truth. Old Georgie boy's genius writing for the PT turned the wisest Jedi Master into a chin-scratching, useless, inept moron. Toddler dialouge, Frank Oz's wild voice fluctuations, and a cartoonish CGI appearance - which is so phony looking in comparison to his realistic muppet incarnation - are the reasons why I don't even recognize PT Yoda and Yoda from the OT as being one in the same. Their complete diametric opposites in every facet. "Apples and oranges we are not."
I guess you didn't really get that PT Yoda and OT Yoda are different. you do, but for the wrong reasons. Yoda admits his failures and the Jedi Orders failures . he realizes their failures and arrogance, and that is why we see a different WISER Yoda in the OT. i thought it was clearer than that. guess not.
No more than accusing Mace for Anakin's turn when he tried to finish Palpatine the way some people do exaggerates Mace's error. Mace couldn't know of Anakin's attachment to Padmé any more than Yoda could. Yet, for some unknown reason, Yoda gets excused for his mistakes, whereas Mace only gets crap for his. That is a double standard.
Well i don't recall Yoda saying that He does not trust Anakin. Or see how he can hardly wait to burst Anakins bubble when he jumps on him in the Council chamber and say's " You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master " or the cold and callous " Take a seat " or my personal favorite " If what you tell me is true , then you will have earned my trust "  Just admit that Mace has no Tact. he cares not, for Anakins feelings. and you are right he knows nothing of Anakins deeds , but for some strange reason he just has to be a **** and not trust him. he was feerful of some kid being the Chosen one . a threat to the status Quo. Mace reeped what he sowed. MACE was everything the Jedi should not have been . Arrogant, cold, and Callous. plain and simple.
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MacetheCouncillor
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DUGGY posted:
Well i don't recall Yoda saying that He does not trust Anakin.
And yet Anakin proved that he did not deserve that trust. Mace saw that clearly, more so than Yoda and Obi-Wan did.
DUGGY posted:
Or see how he can hardly wait to burst Anakins bubble when he jumps on him in the Council chamber and say's " You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Master
Anakin was not mature enough to be a master.
DUGGY posted:
or the cold and callous " Take a seat "
Which Anakin earned with his greed for power.
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or my personal favorite " If what you tell me is true , then you will have earned my trust "
Again, Anakin deserved no trust until he had proven himself, which he did one moment (which Mace admits with this statement), but then revoke through his betrayal.
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Just admit that Mace has no Tact. he cares not, for Anakins feelings.
He shouldn't have to give Anakin ego massage. Anakin's responsibility was far too great for anyone to afford him not taking his role as a Jedi more seriously.
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and you are right he knows nothing of Anakins deeds , but for some strange reason he just has to be a **** and not trust him.
You are missing the point of the Prequels. Starting someone's Jedi training late is dangerous, even more dangerous for someone of Anakin's potential. Mace knew what was at stake.
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he was feerful of some kid being the Chosen one .
And a legitimate fear, that was PROVEN to be.
DUGGY posted:
a threat to the status Quo.
No, to the whole Jedi order.
DUGGY posted:
Mace reeped what he sowed.
No, he reaped what Palpatine and Anakin's ego sowed.
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MACE was everything the Jedi should not have been . Arrogant, cold, and Callous. plain and simple.
No, he just expected a degree of maturity and responsibility as a Jedi that Anakin never showed.
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