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TheDarkSideAreThey
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1/29/06 10:41pm
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I didn't cry, but it was as dramatic a death as I had seen in the series. Mace seems to get a hard time because he didn't trust Anakin. Hello, Anakin becomes Darth Vader, the baddest mofo in the galaxy, evil as can be. A lot of people now sympathize with Anakin because we have seen his fall, but we know what he becomes and Mace had a feeling about it. Don't blame Mace for simply being a good judge of character.
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blicknasty
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The only time it was acceptable to cry in Episode III was the ending scene of Kenobi handing Luke off to the Lars' because of what the end of the movie was signifying and Kenobi saying to Anakin and I quote "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith not join them. Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness."
You can't argue that.
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MacetheCouncillor
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TheCRZA posted:
I don't think it was a matter of maturity as much
as it was that he had no mastery over himself.
That, too. In any case, Mace was right and Anakin didn't have what it takes to make a master.
TheCRZA posted:
Anakin already had the power, he merely wanted the recognition.
Really? According to Lucas, Anakin had the potential to be 200 % of the Emperor in terms of power, and it is pretty darn obvious that he is nowhere near that level of power in this movie. With more knowledge, he could have gotten way stronger still. That is, before Mustafar, of course.
It doesn't matter, though. Even someone who already has power can have greed for more power.
TheCRZA posted:
Deserved no trust? He was a Jedi Knight.
If they didn't trust him, why allow him to remain in the order.
Seeing how events played out, it is doubtful whether they should have allowed him to remain in the order. However, as it turned out, Mace was right about Anakin not being able to handle the task of spying on Palpatine. The end result about Anakin's fate shows that with all desired clarity.
TheCRZA posted:
This scene wasn't about Anakin's ego as much as it was about Mace's.
Who was it that turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, again?
TheCRZA posted:
Training any jedi at any age is dangerous. There is always the threat of turning.
The old Jedi order attempted to remove humanity from human jedi.
Yeah, and there was more with Anakin, especially when Anakin was placed with Palpatine.
TheCRZA posted:
Luke was trained later than anyone and he turned out just fine.
Luke was a far more responsible person than his old man.
TheCRZA posted:
Mace never knew what was at stake, only what he thought was at stake.
No one in the Jedi order knew Palpatine was Sidious until it was revealed. He was quite right about the danger of putting Anakin and Palpatine together, though. I don't know how anyone can be foolish enough to deny that, seeing the end result, no matter how much they dislike Mace as a character.
TheCRZA posted:
Mace had other options than storming off without Anakin.
Prophecy = Chosen One killing Sith and balancing force.
Anakin = Chosen One.
Algen Kolar, Saese Tiin, Kit Fisto do not = Chosen One.
Mace is directly responsible for their deaths.
It was ludicrous to take them there.
What happened, happened because Mace didn't use any real strategy.
Yeah, and I have discussed that before. It wasn't a good choice not to bring Anakin along, I confess, but the alternative would not be any different.
TheCRZA posted:
Anakin shows restraint and introspection all throughout ROTS;
surely this is a mark of maturity and responsiblity.
Then why didn't he do his duty and finish the Sith? That is betrayal of the Jedi order.
Somehow, according to Anakin fanboys, Mace are responsible for Anakin's actions, but Anakin isn't. Strange logic, to say the least.
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windu25
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Good post MacetheCouncillor.
Here's a fact I've come to notice.
the people who hate Mace are not going to change their view even if you have GL's commentary to back up what your saying. Even this thread is mostly about giving the anti-Mace crowd a place to vent their hate of the character.
To sum it up - it's a waste of time.
Good post though.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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through all the movies and this on especially, I did not like him at all!
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blicknasty
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Dudes, Mace Windu is one of the only people in the entire saga to openly disapprove of Anakin Skywalker and show no trust in him. Turns out...
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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lol....that is a good one NASTY!!!!
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Count_DoodooKuku
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Actually, George allowed no time for anyone to sob. Just like when Vader wakes up in the suit in that medical room, and cries "Nooooo!" we hardly get more than a second to reflect on exactly what's just occured. George is "always on the move", and sometimes I wished he would allow a moment of silence or reflection on the event that just occured, somehow.
I felt the Vader/medical room scene was more worthy of a slight sob, but Geroge ruined it with his quick rush to the next scene. Despicable.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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I see that. he should have gone into more detail, like the meds talking to Vader and Sid about the mask and the breathing aparatice!
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TheDarkSideAreThey
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1/30/06 11:09am
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I have to agree about the seeminly "rushed" feel of ROTS. The "FrankenVader" scene should have been more drawn out and profound. I personally could've done without the "Nooooooooo". It would have been cool if he began to Force choke his master. Anyway, I have to wonder how the movies of the PT would've been received if they were 3 hours long instead of a highly-dissected 2?
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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3, how about like 4 or 6, a trilogy within the trilogy!!!!!I really mean it!!!!
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fudgebrown
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check this out:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/ROTS/Revelations-1.html
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GrievousKiller
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fudgebrown posted:
check this out:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/ROTS/Revelations-1.html
now thats a good link to refer to
everyone in ep 3. Good job with the link 
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GrievousKiller
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Lilasaliav posted:
Who else cried when Mace Windu died? His death was the saddest in my opinion. He was betrayed by what he was fighting for. He put his life on the line to save democracy only to be mercilessly slaughtered by the face of evil. That was such a heartwrenching scene.
well this brings up a silly theory my friend brought up that star wars was racist cuz Sam Jackson was the only black guy there. But still he did put his life on the line for democracy and just betrayed by his own kind.....Anakin u ruthless bastard
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TheCRZA
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That, too. In any case, Mace was right and Anakin didn't have what it takes to make a master.
I completely agree with you here.
Really? According to Lucas, Anakin had the potential to be 200 % of the Emperor in terms of power, and it is pretty darn obvious that he is nowhere near that level of power in this movie. With more knowledge, he could have gotten way stronger still. That is, before Mustafar, of course.
It doesn't matter, though. Even someone who already has power can have greed for more power.
Relativity. Anakin had a long way to go because he was the Chosen One.
No one else was the Chosen One, so his power was not on the same scale.
He simply wanted recognition of that fact instead of being used by the Council
and exploited for his friendship with Kenobi.
Seeing how events played out, it is doubtful whether they should have allowed him to remain in the order. However, as it turned out, Mace was right about Anakin not being able to handle the task of spying on Palpatine. The end result about Anakin's fate shows that with all desired clarity.
The point I've tried to make is that is wasn't responsible for the Council
to ask him to spy on him.
Who was it that turned to the dark side and joined the Sith, again?
Luke was a far more responsible person than his old man.
Yeah, especially becase he was able to learn from his mistakes;
through his experiences. Something they expected Anakin to do
but failed in training him to do.
No one in the Jedi order knew Palpatine was Sidious until it was revealed. He was quite right about the danger of putting Anakin and Palpatine together, though. I don't know how anyone can be foolish enough to deny that, seeing the end result, no matter how much they dislike Mace as a character.
Yeah, but no one discovered this face. He gave the information up himself.
He damn near had to draw Anakin a picture.
"I know about the force."
Nothing.
"I can do force things."
Kay.
"I can feel your anger and fear."
Hmmm... nah.
"I'm the Sith lord, you ninny."
Hey.... wait a minute.
Yeah, and I have discussed that before. It wasn't a good choice not to bring Anakin along, I confess, but the alternative would not be any different.
Maybe putting a call out over the Beacon that the head of the government
was a Sith Lord conspiring to destroy the Jedi might have yielded some
different results.
Then why didn't he do his duty and finish the Sith? That is betrayal of the Jedi order.
Because the Jedi didn't offer any method of saving Padme.
And Anakin wasn't good enough a Jedi to let go.
Somehow, according to Anakin fanboys, Mace are responsible for Anakin's actions, but Anakin isn't. Strange logic, to say the least.
Hardly an Anakin fanboy. I think Anakin got off far to easy than anyone else.
But I'm not a Mace apologist either.
Mace could have staved off Order 66 by putting word out,
but rushed to face him.
Ring any bells from ESB?
Rushed to face him...
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