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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 6:29pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Dude. YOu need to watch the movie again. Yes they say that in the making that he is to win, but watch the entrappment. There is so much more to that. That is the star to the complete and utter anhilation of the Jedi!

 

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Rossa83  2960 posts
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 6:30pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
The swordman levels are quite ambigous I think. Therefore I'm rather sorry I brought them up. According to some here there is supposed to be an overwhelming difference between level 8 and 9 - yet OBW bested Anakin.

The fact that Yoda trusted Mace to stay at Coruscant, possibly to face Sideous, really speaks for Mace I think. This is a clear indication of Mace's strength - and he proved himself worthy of the recognition. Bloody Anakin sad

 
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ZamWesell44  3075 posts
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 6:35pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
I know as a jedi Mace is powerful, but i just do not see any way he would beat Anakin, Anakin lost to Kenobi because of his emotions in fighting his only friend, he would not have that fighting Mace at all. And there is nothing to say Mace is stronger than Dooku, quite the contrary, If DS had killed him, Anakin may not have turned, he would not have turned then. Dooku was almost as powerful as Yoda, and there is no way Mace could have beat Kenobi like Dooku did.

 
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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 6:35pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
I think being that they could not trust Anakin, and Mace was the only other source, that meant Mace fighting Sid.

 

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Rossa83  2960 posts
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Date Posted: 1/30/06 9:02pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
I know as a jedi Mace is powerful, but i just do not see any way he would beat Anakin, Anakin lost to Kenobi because of his emotions in fighting his only friend, he would not have that fighting Mace at all. And there is nothing to say Mace is stronger than Dooku, quite the contrary, If DS had killed him, Anakin may not have turned, he would not have turned then. Dooku was almost as powerful as Yoda, and there is no way Mace could have beat Kenobi like Dooku did.


Yoda controlled that fight with ease. Mace is regarded as almost as powerful as Yoda mind you. Nowhere do we hear that Anakin is that. In the OS it says that Mace was "A respected Jedi on par with the venerable Yoda"... on par means that he is nearly as good as Yoda...

Anakin lost because of his emotions, but also because he wasn't that much better than OBW as he thought himself to be...

 
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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 9:17am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Mace might be powerful. Pretty much all masters have a strength in something, but no even Mace couls sense Ani on his killing spree on Tatooine. Things like that don't show the true might of a master. Just a thought

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 10:13am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
I know as a jedi Mace is powerful, but i just do not see any way he would beat Anakin, Anakin lost to Kenobi because of his emotions in fighting his only friend, he would not have that fighting Mace at all. And there is nothing to say Mace is stronger than Dooku, quite the contrary, If DS had killed him, Anakin may not have turned, he would not have turned then. Dooku was almost as powerful as Yoda, and there is no way Mace could have beat Kenobi like Dooku did.


? He hated Obi-Wan. He was not conflicted in the least about killing Obi, Obi was the only one who was conflicted in that fight. Anakin was ready and willing to kill Obi if he could have, but he couldn't. Maybe in a big open room with no way out, Anakin would win, maybe, but that's not how it turned out.

Mace was at least as powerful as Yoda. (wise as master yoda, powerful as master windu) Yoda is no slouch, but Mace is the fighter of the two. Dooku beat Kenobi after a good duel in Ep2. In RotS, he got rid of Obi-Wan quickly because he had to get Anakin alone, and there is no factual basis that Dooku couldnt beat Anakin, seeing as there are several sources saying he was supposed to lose so that Sidious could have his way.

Either way, Dooku was a master duelist and probably could beat all of the Jedi save for Mace Windu and Yoda.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 10:35am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
I thought Anoon Bondara was the Master in saber skills, yet Maul slayed him.

 

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ZamWesell44  3075 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 11:51am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Yeah im sure Dooku meant to get his hands cut of that way. Anakin not conflicted about fighting Kenobi, you should read what it says in the novel, or listen to the commentary. "As powerful as master windu" he was saying Kenobi is his equal.

 
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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 11:53am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ok now everything.....I am confused now......lol

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 1:18pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
1. Anoon was a master in teaching, much like Cin Drallig.

2. He knew he had to lose, he didn't know the exact details. Plus, hands can be replaced, what Sidious had invisioned in him was at least worth 2 hands that could be replaced.

3. He said as wise as master yoda. Meaning Yoda is the wisest. and as powerful as master windu. Meaning Windu is the most powerful. Otherwise he would havesaid 'as wise and powerful as master Yoda'

now, that is just bragging on obi-wan, he is not as good in those aspects as either of those people, but the comparisons stand in terms of rating those two Jedi.

Mace beat Sidious hands down, Yoda got a draw at best.

 

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ZamWesell44  3075 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 1:28pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Dooku did not have to lose at all, he was told if he could beat him they would know Anakin is not strong enough. Kenobi Is as wise as Yoda and as strong as Mace. The advice Yoda gave to Anakinin ROTS was not excatly wise. And Sidious never intended to kill Mace, if he had Anakin would not have turned then.

 
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Darth_Manic  64 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 1:35pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
From what i've seen of Mace's lightsaber skill,i'm sure Anakin would of beaten him.

 

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farrellg  2061 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 5:16pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
I just always thought of OBW's and Anakin's force duel, and Yoda's and Sideous' force duel as evidence as they were equally strong. In other words, it reflected that Yoda and Sideous was equals, OBW and Anakin was equals. It would also lend support to Yoda saying the dark side is not stronger.

Lucas said that Anakin is more powerful, but Obi-Wan is more experienced. He also said that the dark side is stronger. Yoda was either wrong or he was lying because the creator contradicts him. The writer always knows more about true events in the story than the characters themselves.

If Yoda, Mace, Anakin, and Sidious are 9s, then Dooku must be also.

If Dooku was a level 9, I think Gillard would have mentioned his name along with the other four characters who are level 9 swordsmen. The fact that Dooku is Palpatine's apprentice means he is much less powerful and must be at a lower saber level.

The swordman levels are quite ambigous I think. Therefore I'm rather sorry I brought them up. According to some here there is supposed to be an overwhelming difference between level 8 and 9 - yet OBW bested Anakin.

Obi-Wan only won because Anakin got emotional and made mistakes.

 

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Icestar63  1985 posts
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Date Posted: 1/31/06 6:08pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
farrellg posted:
The swordman levels are quite ambigous I think. Therefore I'm rather sorry I brought them up. According to some here there is supposed to be an overwhelming difference between level 8 and 9 - yet OBW bested Anakin.

Obi-Wan only won because Anakin got emotional and made mistakes.













I dissagree, Obi-wan won because he is more experianced.

The duel was already over before the jump. The offical site sayes "He had the high ground, the tactical advantage. He urged Vader not to press on in a fight he could not win" Obi-wan Kenobi data bank

 

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