Author Topic: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
DarthJuggalo  723 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 1:31pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
and he was not more powerful.


I agree. =)

 

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farrellg  2061 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 1:37pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Rossa83 posted:
Farrelg: If you think the possee was good, then surely you can't believe that Anakin can beat Mace? seeing that Mace bested Sideous!! I must admit though that I think the possee came off as rather pathetic... it was bad choreography really. The emperor was powerful, no doubting that, but that would be just a better reason to move some!!

I never said Anakin can beat Mace. I think Mace is more powerful during ROTS. The posse didn't have a chance to move because the Emperor was so fast.
Rossa83 posted:
There really isn't much proof that turning to the dark side will in fact make you stronger.

Lucas says that it will make you stronger. We saw how the Emperor's powers completely overmatched Luke's "feeble" Jedi skills.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 3:56pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
and he was not more powerful.

yep he was, but we see that nukmbers mean nothing now eh?

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 6:29pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
How is Mace a different matter than Dooku who beat Kenobi twice, which is not easy, and he beat him in ROTS like he was a clonetrooper.


you are contradicting yourself.

You just said it is not easy to beat Kenobi twice.

Anakin couldn't even do that. He ended up at the bottom of a fiery hill.

Yet 'he (anakin) beat him (dooku) in ROTS like he was a clonetrooper'

Yet you insist his trying to work within Sidios's plan of keeping Anakin alive had anything to do with him losing.

And you still havent addressed any of my points in my previous posts. (pages 14 and 15 if you need to recap)

The books are not canon. You should not take them as so.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 9:07pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
-HD-YaebGinn posted:
ZamWesell44 posted:
How is Mace a different matter than Dooku who beat Kenobi twice, which is not easy, and he beat him in ROTS like he was a clonetrooper.


you are contradicting yourself.

You just said it is not easy to beat Kenobi twice.

Anakin couldn't even do that. He ended up at the bottom of a fiery hill.

Yet 'he (anakin) beat him (dooku) in ROTS like he was a clonetrooper'

Yet you insist his trying to work within Sidios's plan of keeping Anakin alive had anything to do with him losing.

And you still havent addressed any of my points in my previous posts. (pages 14 and 15 if you need to recap)

The books are not canon. You should not take them as so.



Ummmm Lucas writes what he feels off the books, or that is what I have always seen him do, so maybe that is a yes!

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 9:30am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
? Huh? The books are written by other authors. Not Lucas. The books are fun to read and sometimes make sense, but they are not canon. Lucas can and has proved them to be false several times.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 11:26am Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
may I ask which ones are false? Lucas woud tell them what to write!

 

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Rossa83  2960 posts
Registered: Sep '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:09pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
farrellg posted:
Rossa83 posted:
Farrelg: If you think the possee was good, then surely you can't believe that Anakin can beat Mace? seeing that Mace bested Sideous!! I must admit though that I think the possee came off as rather pathetic... it was bad choreography really. The emperor was powerful, no doubting that, but that would be just a better reason to move some!!

I never said Anakin can beat Mace. I think Mace is more powerful during ROTS. The posse didn't have a chance to move because the Emperor was so fast.
Rossa83 posted:
There really isn't much proof that turning to the dark side will in fact make you stronger.

Lucas says that it will make you stronger. We saw how the Emperor's powers completely overmatched Luke's "feeble" Jedi skills.



Well, we agree about Mace then wink
I don't, however, agree with your take on the EMperor and the dark side. Since we are all looking for an interpretation that fits our perception of the star-wars universe, I can see that you choose to take Lucas statement about the dark-side as literally true. However, as I mentioned, you must take into consideration at the time and in which relation he said it. You must agree, at least, that there is a slight chance that he meant only for Anakin's agenda or perception of his agenda? That meaning that the dark side is not universally stronger. Yoda and Mace could both hang with the Emperor mind you.

I agree that Luke had nothing to resist the Emperor in ROTJ, but you must by now see that he did throw away his defense - we don't know his agenda for sure - could be that he KNEW he couldn't withstand it, then you are correct. Could also be that he wanted Vader to see the evil, and hence react - then you are wrong... see how it all depends on your point of view?

To be on topic: Mace would win 9 out of 10 or something like that... wink

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:11pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Master_EdgeCrusher posted:
may I ask which ones are false? Lucas woud tell them what to write!


No no no you're missing the point. Whatever is in the films is the "truth," but it doesn't really matter. It's the old "Did Boba Fett Live?" question. If you only watch the movies, you're reasonable sure he died in the sarlaac pit. If you read the books, you think he flew out with his jet pack or some nonsense like that.

The movies trump the novelizations and all other forms of SW, except maybe the scripts which are up there.

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:26pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Exactly!

The films what you see is what you get. You dont see or hear Sidious mention him letting Mace win, so he didnt. If Lucas said in an interview 'Yeah, Sidious let Mace win' then we would know, but he didnt.

Side note- The RotS book was so bad, that this big SW fan I know read it before they saw the film, and they hated the book so much that they never saw the movie.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:29pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
wow that must be a huge set back for something as that to happen!

 

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-HD-YaebGinn  740 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 1:19pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
I know, I couldnt believe it. I read the book afterwords, and while I didnt much care for it, it wouldnt stop me from seeing RotS multiple more times.

 

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Master_EdgeCrusher  558 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 1:33pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
yeah I guess some people are just different. But how can youjust give up on the force and fantasy.....oh well!!!!

 

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Ani_Lover  2787 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 1:41pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
ZamWesell44 posted:
Sidious could not have planned Anakin cutting off Mace's arm? Yeah ok, he just became emperor and worked with the jedi for years without them knowing he was a sith but he could not plan that. plain He was faking when he was on the ground clearly, saying he was too weak, after seeing him throw pods as Yoda while floating on another, and shooting lighting so intensly it took his saber out im thinking he could have taken Mace out without the saber. And Dooku was trying to kill Anakin, he figured out in the middle of the fight what was going on and tried to beat him but could not,b/c he kept getting stronger. And kenobi beat Anakin not because he was stronger, he trained him.
Anakin does not know his a$$ from his elbow? whatever that means, i guess its lucky for Kenobi that pathetic Anakin was there to save his life 10 times, and carry him over his shoulder after he got smoked by Dooku. wink
applause WELL SAID!

People can say what they want, Anakin DID lose to Obi-Wan because of emotion. That was his best friend, brother, father figure, everything to him. Hate and love are two sides of the same coin. If Anakin would have had his head together in The Duel like he would have fighting anyone else, HE WOULD HAVE WON.
Anakin could take Mace out in a heartbeat.

As for Sids-
Mace DID NOT have him beat! laugh
As said above me, Sids was faking it.

 

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Rossa83  2960 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 3:41pm Subject: RE: Could Anakin have beaten Mace
Ani_Lover posted:


People can say what they want, Anakin DID lose to Obi-Wan because of emotion. That was his best friend, brother, father figure, everything to him. Hate and love are two sides of the same coin. If Anakin would have had his head together in The Duel like he would have fighting anyone else, HE WOULD HAVE WON.
Anakin could take Mace out in a heartbeat.

As for Sids-
Mace DID NOT have him beat! laugh
As said above me, Sids was faking it.




Look at OBW in that fight. Does it not appear that he is as emotional as Anakin? Anakin is emotional in that he wants to kill his old friend. He really want to do that. OBW doesn't want to do it. He will do what he must. He is a Jedi, so he tries to put aside his feeling. Several places do we see that he can't manage to do that with Anakin. Anakin meant as much to OBW as OBW meant to Anakin. They were both emotional.

Anakin is not unbeatable by the time of ROTS. He just thinks so himself. OBW bested him, simple as that. Vader recognizes this by the time of ANH. Have you guys seen that film? he explicitly says that OBW was the master then, the better one, but NOW he IS the master... arrogant prick;)

Mace wouldn't even be emotional in his fight with Anakin. In the Mustafar duel, Anakin wouldn't last very long I think. Longer in another duel. Give him one more year unsuited and he would be a serious threat to Windu - but not sooner.

 

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