-HD-YaebGinn posted: Froshcler- The duel was still going on. Would you count the scen where they take cover to avoid being hit by lava pebbles still part of the duel? Of course you would. The duel was not over until Obi-Wan cut off Anakin's limbs. Oh yea, Sidious was faking being weak. But that doesnt mean he hadnt lost. He would have been killed if Anakin hadnt come and given him an opening. Interesting hypothesis (about if obi and ani never knew each other and how in that same way ani could never beat obi) But once you get into what ifs, it just gets confusing. If someone esle taught Ani, he'd either go dark sooner than Sidious's plans warranted and quickly be defeated by the Jedi, or go Dark later or not at all in time to save sidious. Obi was the only one who could have made what happened in the films happen. Zam, so you still think Ani would have beat Mace? Btw, you've been awful quiet concerning the 6 points I brought up.
Rossa83 posted:-HD-YaebGinn posted: Froshcler- The duel was still going on. Would you count the scen where they take cover to avoid being hit by lava pebbles still part of the duel? Of course you would. The duel was not over until Obi-Wan cut off Anakin's limbs. Oh yea, Sidious was faking being weak. But that doesnt mean he hadnt lost. He would have been killed if Anakin hadnt come and given him an opening. Interesting hypothesis (about if obi and ani never knew each other and how in that same way ani could never beat obi) But once you get into what ifs, it just gets confusing. If someone esle taught Ani, he'd either go dark sooner than Sidious's plans warranted and quickly be defeated by the Jedi, or go Dark later or not at all in time to save sidious. Obi was the only one who could have made what happened in the films happen. Zam, so you still think Ani would have beat Mace? Btw, you've been awful quiet concerning the 6 points I brought up. Can I just say that I completely agree with you on this post and your last. I think you're right on the money, sort of speaking. Zamwessel didn't answer my questions either - none of the Anakin fans did. The problem with Anakin is that he has the potential. He is gifted. It is not always the gifted guys who become the best, however. You have to stay determined and focused. OBW, Yoda, Sideous and Windu were all masters of that. Anakin was not. He defeated Dooku - and I personally didn't like the way that happened. How come he could easily fight the both of them, in ROTS, with a grin on his face, and suddenly loose... It is at least as suspect as the Mace Sideous fight. I don't understand why people are bashing Mace - he was right in not trusting Anakin, and he DID defeat Sideous. He was extremely powerful, he was wise (although that is not shown good enough in the movies I think). OBW was that as well, but not quite as powerful. Zamwessel: why not answer my questions, and HD-YaebGinn's questions?
Rossa83 posted:If I MUST accept that Dooku lost, why can't you accept that Sideous lost to Mace then? I accept that Dooku lost, I just didn't particularly like the way it happened. You still don't answer my questions. Mace's task was not to go on missions as Anakin and OBW. Yoda didn't go on too many missions himself it seems. Here's a couple of questions: 1. Lucas intended for Mace to win. We see him overpower Sideous. What more proof do you need? (to say he didn't win is a bad interpretation) 2. Mace appeared to be the strongest Jedi in the arena in AOTC - even Dooku seems to say that. He killed Jango quite easily. Where does he appear weak here? 3. So, we only see Mace in action twice. But he kicks ass both times. What more do you need really? it's not about quantity, it's about quality! As for Maul's grin. Didn't he have the right to grin. He had overpowered OBW. His arrogance was his downfall, not his skills. Bad example. It's really annoying when you keep saying that Mace is so bad when you can't say why, or answer questions. You praise Anakin, but in the end he lost to OBW who is below Windu in strength and experience.
