| Author |
Topic:
Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
SithStarSlayer
Registered:
Oct '03
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 8:12am
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
Funny how Dooku tried to seduce Obi Wan.
I loved the look of complete shock on his face, right before Anakin finishes him off. If Dooku was as strong as Sidious then maybe Sidious would have been dead. But since he wasn't... well you know how that ended up.
-----signature-----
Lucas didn't ruin my childhood, but he sure wrecked Vader's
Foolish men mistake transitory semblance for eternal fact
Practice makes perfect, so be careful what you practice
Tolerance is for people who lack moral conviction
o[[]|[ooooooooooo]|[0]|[|]|[
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Count-Tyranus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 10:57am
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
Dooku is the master of form II, the best sabre on sabre style. I have no doubt that Dooku was the premier swordsman in the galaxy. However, that said, he couldn't overcome his fear of Sidious and his age by sheer skill alone.
All this talk of Sidious being the master because he was the better swordsman is rubbish. There is no law stating that the physically stronger Sith must be master, only the stronger Sith.
It should be obvious to all that strength is not always physical.
-----signature-----
Your keyboards please. We wouldn't want to make a mess of things in front of the moderators.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
farrellg
Registered:
Mar '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 11:14am
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
The posse Jedi were just slow to react. Sidious wasn't that quick.
The OS and novel say Mace's posse are three of the best swordsmen the Jedi Order ever produced. Lucas said "you have to be either mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor" when someone asked him why the posse die so quickly. Its obvious that the scene where Palpatine kills Mace's posse was meant to illustrate the Emperor's amazing powers, not the ineptness of the Jedi.
Kit Fisto blocked a few swipes from Sidious before going down, so there is no way in hell Sidious wielded a saber '500' times as fast as anyone else. Hell, not even twice as fast.
In order to kill three Jedi in less than ten seconds during a four on one fight, I think the Emperor would have to be more than three times faster than the Jedi he killed.
-----signature-----
Non so d'onde viene quel tenero affetto. http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Count-Tyranus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 11:18am
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
|
The possee's death was a by-product of their continued arrogance in their own mastery of the force and Jedi dogma.
-----signature-----
Your keyboards please. We wouldn't want to make a mess of things in front of the moderators.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
SithStarSlayer
Registered:
Oct '03
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 12:43pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
Count-Tyranus posted:
Dooku is the master of form II, the best sabre on sabre style. I have no doubt that Dooku was the premier swordsman in the galaxy. However, that said, he couldn't overcome his fear of Sidious and his age by sheer skill alone.
All this talk of Sidious being the master because he was the better swordsman is rubbish. There is no law stating that the physically stronger Sith must be master, only the stronger Sith.
It should be obvious to all that strength is not always physical.
I agree, even the OS states that Dooku was a master with a saber. I doubt that he feared Sidious, because I never got that impression from C.Lee on screen.
Sidious was the Master because he had what Tyranus craved... Power. If the Count was more powerful, with the Force AND with a Lightsaber, then he would have overthrown Sidious. Plain and simple, THAT IS THE NATURE OF THE SITH. Why else would he be the apprentice?
"It should be obvious to all that strength is not always physical." You speak the truth...
***
"There is no law stating that the physically stronger Sith must be master, only the stronger Sith."
Now this is where we are on opposite ends of the spectrum,
Always two there are, no more, no less...
One to embody power, the other to crave it...
Darth Bane's rule of two...
based on power, it is...
-----signature-----
Lucas didn't ruin my childhood, but he sure wrecked Vader's
Foolish men mistake transitory semblance for eternal fact
Practice makes perfect, so be careful what you practice
Tolerance is for people who lack moral conviction
o[[]|[ooooooooooo]|[0]|[|]|[
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
sabarte
Registered:
Sep '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 12:52pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
I'm not sure if Dooku really thought enough like a Sith to immediately go for Sidious's throat if he thought he was more powerful (I don't think he ever thought he was more powerful, though. Sidious had him beat psychologically and it would just never come to that). The man is a Jedi and a politician, and unless you're arguing that he was just pretending to be a Jedi for 70 years, that had to be a huge influence on his behavior. Dooku is characterized by consistently offering opportunities to surrender, also not really a Sith trait.
Dooku is actually puts out a lot more 'overthrow-my-master' vibes about Yoda than Sidious. Which is pretty interesting.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Haynesworth
Registered:
Dec '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:29pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
maxwell1234 posted:
Even taking out the posse, it didn't look like the Emperor was that fast. Hell, from when he drew his blade back to when he thrusted at the first posse Jedi, there was about a full second delay.
I completely agree. I slowed down this scene, and the part where Palpatine does his original jump and thrust of the first Jedi, the other one right next to him could easily have cut him in two. Inside, he stood there and watched and then got mowed down without even blocking. Maybe they were trying to show how fast Sidious is, but they didn't physically do it on screen. If Mace had gone with any other competent Jedi, he would have easily overpowered Sidious.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
sithrules70
Registered:
May '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:33pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
There is no law stating that the physically stronger Sith must be master, only the stronger Sith.
as soon as the aprentice can take on the master he does it.if maul and dooku didnt try to kill sidious is because they were weaker.that how it works for the sith
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
Count-Tyranus
Registered:
Jul '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:42pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
I think my words are misunderstood. The Sith master does not need to be physically stronger than his apprentice, he merely has to be stronger when all other traits are considered.
After all, one can easily beat a physically superior opponent by using superior experience, intelligence, guile etc...indeed, Obi-Wan used superior experience and patience to beat Anakin.
-----signature-----
Your keyboards please. We wouldn't want to make a mess of things in front of the moderators.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
JOHNNY-B
Registered:
Mar '03
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:43pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
"as soon as the aprentice can take on the master he does it.if maul and dooku didnt try to kill sidious is because they were weaker.that how it works for the sith"
Not true. Because Darth Plagueis was stronger than, Sidious. Darth Sidious killed him in his sleep...remember? So it don't always work like that. He just had the guts to kill his master in his sleep. Maul and Dooku didn't.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
sithrules70
Registered:
May '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:44pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
i think that palpatine's superior power is too much for dooku to counter it with just experience
JOHNNY-B posted:
Not true. Because Darth Plagueis was stronger than, Sidious. Darth Sidious killed him in his sleep...remember? So it don't always work like that. He just had the guts to kill his master in his sleep. Maul and Dooku didn't.
you think sidious would sleep in the same place than maul or dooku ???!?.
no way.dooku and maul didnt take him out because they were too weak and too coward too do it.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
JOHNNY-B
Registered:
Mar '03
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:49pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
|
Not really. Dooku was more than smart enough to take Sidious out. My guess is he was content to just fellow behind Darth Sidious. I mean again: Darth Plagueis was stronger than, Sidious - but Sidious had the guts to take him out in his sleep. So it doesn't really have to do with power.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
sithrules70
Registered:
May '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:51pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
|
i guess you are right...but to answer the topic of the thread how can anybody say for real that dooku is more powerful ?? GL clearly said that he was just a more movile OT vader who can use lightning but nothing more than that.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
JOHNNY-B
Registered:
Mar '03
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:53pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
"no way.dooku and maul didnt take him out because they were too weak and too coward too do it."
I'll agree with that. But I do think that Dooku was more than smart enough to take Darth Sidious out ( without taken him on with the force or lightsaber). He just didn't have the guts.
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
sithrules70
Registered:
May '05
|
Date Posted:
12/6/05 1:55pm
Subject:
RE: Was Dooku as strong as Sidious?
|
|
possibly...but in a fight my money would be on sids all the way
|
Locked Topic |
Active Topic Notification |
Private Message |
Post History
|
