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Darkwish
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12/20/05 8:05am
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Yeah right. ROTK is better than ROTS.
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DMan304
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You realise I meant King Kong, right?
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Billy_Dee_Binks
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Alright:
ROTS was the highest grossing film of 2005. HOWEVER, Hollywood DIDN't make a lot of money out of it because 20th Century Fox only made profit with the distribution fees!!!! NOT the BO!
And that is exactly WHY the AA (or SS of movieland) will not give any gold to Lucas, ILM, Trisha Biggar, John Williams or Ian McDiarmid.
Now why did Peter Jackson win 11 mostly undeserved awards? Because HE WORKS FOR HOLLYWOOD. The BO gross went to New Line Cinema. Also, double-standards. LOTR movies are new and hip (like Spiderman and Batman Begins- always material that hasn't been touched in a while) and it has oh, so superior stuff about it. WAKE UP, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T!!!!
I am glad GL finances his work himself and thus keeps the money he makes of it. If that would not be the case amazing companies such as ILM, PIXAR, THX would have never existed. ILM would have never gotten #1 SFX house in the World- that's for sure.
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CommanderJamesBond
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1/11/06 11:44pm
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Peter Jackson is an overrated cow. His only good films are based off the highest selling fantasy novel of all time.
Anyway, I think it'd be awesome Ian McDiarmid got a nomination for Best Supporting Actor. He deserves it. But I doubt it'll happen...
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Billy_Dee_Binks
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Well, neiter Ian McDiarmid, nor Trisha Biggar nor John Williams got any nominations.
I'm pissed of, especially about Trisha Biggar not getting at least a nod.
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RebelScum77
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Billy_Dee_Binks posted:
Well, neiter Ian McDiarmid, nor Trisha Biggar nor John Williams got any nominations.
I'm pissed of, especially about Trisha Biggar not getting at least a nod.
The Oscar nominations don't come out until Janunary 31st. 
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Billy_Dee_Binks
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Really? So what did I read on SW.com today? 
Click the link:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20060111.html
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RebelScum77
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Those aren't official nominations, but that they are on the short list to get on the nomination list, which I think is only 3 films.
I don't think that means Trisha is out, because I'm not sure costume design has a pre-nomination process, same with soundtracks. More than 3 are given nominations if I'm not mistaken.
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JediPrettyBoy
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ROTK won all of those Oscars because the Academy wanted to acknowledge all of the work that went into all three films.
It wouldn't have been fair to let the other two movies clean everybody elses clock in the previous two years before ROTK since there were other movies which were deserving of acknowledgement as well.
However, in the year that ROTK came out, everybody else should have just stopped releasing movies temporarily.
EDIT: 2003 was a bad time for The Matrix sequels to come out.
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Mos_Eisley
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"Worst disaster in film history"?
Hmmm, I think you need to watch more films. That's quite the exaggeration.
I wish I could make such popular disasters.
Oh, and by all means, let's start evaluating films based solely on what the movie world thinks because Hollywood always puts out high caliber material. 
ANH got panned by some critics back in '77. I guess that means it's a total turd.
GL should just get customized Star Wars Oscars made in the form of main characters throughout the saga and give them to all the people that worked so hard on all six films.
That'd be way cooler than just an ordinary, crappy Oscar anyway.
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Philip023
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I doubt there is a proper context for calling anyone who posts on these boards a star wars hater. There is however a legitimate word for people who negatively address Peter Jackson: jealous.
He is in fact, not an overrated cow. He has dropped like 70 pounds and is regarded as a great director. But so is Lucas - just not in the acting sense.
I maintain that TPM grossed so much because of repeat viewings by SW fans and the exuberance of a general public that had not experienced a SW film in over 20 years. But the critics hated it from a story, acting and dialogue standpoint. Technically, they admired it.
Films don't win Oscars with SW dialogue and acting. LOTR won NO acting awards. There is no bias against Lucas. He just needs to refind the magic of telling a story. He pretty much recaptured it with Sith.
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darthzeppo
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hey phillip !
if Hollywood don't hate lucas then why no nominations for best costume?
Good or bad films the PT had fantastic costumes. Better than LOTR, which just looked like a rehash of Anglo Saxons.
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Cryogenic
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Philip023 posted:
As far as SW and Oscar is concerned - when did I say that SW wasn't enjoyable? That isn't the point. Any SW film must be judged individually - that's how individual oscars are rewarded - NOT on the culmination of 3 works as a whole. Match SW up against any Best Picture nominee in the 3 years of release for each film and SW loses fairly.
I would agree with this assessment - but I found several of your other comments ill-formed and naive.
Philip023 posted:
In terms of soundtrack - Oscars are rewarded based on new work - a new body of music. In SW, the opening theme is the same, the same music is heard. Whether the context or part of the film this music is introduced is different doesn't matter. It is the same music. Williams does not bring us anything new save for a few moments of interlude music and during the lightsaber battles. On any count, an Oscar nomination is not deserved here.
There's no accounting for taste. Not only do I disagree with your perspective, but in terms of the text I've emphasised, you are FACTUALLY WRONG, too. Williams wrote a thick body of entirely new music for each prequel, and in the cases of The Empire Strikes Back and The Phantom Menace especially, a considerable number of entirely new themes. I'm not convinced that the people who form the Academy have it in for George Lucas - they just have it in for decent filmmakers and decent filmmaking in general. Incredible auteurs like Orson Welles, Alfred Hitchcock, Stanley Kubrick, Martin Scorsese and Quentin Tarantino have never received recognition for their motion pictures. Halle Berry, in a display of unfettered emotion which only exacerbated the sheer absurdity of it all, was the first black actress to win a "Best Actress" award - despite the likes of Pam Grier, Alfre Woodard and Whoopi Goldberg turning in significantly better and more varied work in previous years and decades. The Academy famously failed to consider the wonderful makeup of Stuart Freeborn, too, when he worked with Kubrick on 2001, as they didn't realise that the "Man Apes" weren't actually real. John Williams was completely snubbed for his incredible and culturally-profound work on Superman and The Empire Strikes Back - both significantly richer and more engaging works than his 1977 Star Wars score. The Academy also threw Lucas' submission for Frank Oz's work as Yoda back in his face, telling him that puppetry wasn't a valid artform. Finally, as has been discussed, The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones were both heinously denied the Oscars for "Best Visual Effects". A nomination/win is always an honour, but whenever someone receives either, someone else may be - and almost certainly is - undeservedly missing out.
Philip203 posted:
In terms of special effects, I think it could go either way. TPM brought a multitude of new effects to the table. No doubt about it. But bullet time was new and seemed innovative. That's why it got the nod. Also, it is often hard to discern a special effect shot in a SW movie, from an actuall special effect. In other words, most of the backgrounds in SW are digital. Should we call this a special effect even though it is merely a background? I think this muddles things. As far as LOTR, special effects shots were clearly visible and used, not as background, but as wide angle shots of armies or of Gollum. I believe this is why LOTR won. So, if there is a bias, I believe it is against entire digital landscapes versus actual special effects shots. But I don't believe there is a bias against Lucas for this.
Phil, pardon my candor: what gibberish is that?
Honestly, what were you saying there? I do not comprehend the nature of your point at all. Are you saying that more subtle visual effects integration work - such as background plates - is less favoured by the Academy than overt uses - such as sprawling armies in panoramic shots? Your concluding sentences puzzle me immensely and appear to be making a separate value judgement entirely. I've got news for you: anything added to a shot as it is being filmed, "in camera", is a "special effect"; anything added afterwards is a "visual effect". Both Lord of the Rings and the Star Wars prequel trilogy feature extensive examples of the former and the latter. To the Academy, however, insofar as their lexicon reflects their thinking, "special" and "visual" effects are one and the same: they both fall under the mutually encompassing blanket of "visual effects" (e.g. "Best Visual Effects"). The armies streaking across the screen in Lord of the Rings are barely any more "real" than the armies seen in the prequel trilogy. Now, true, Jackson used real actors more often than Lucas (especially on closeups), but for wide angle shots, both trilogies are virtually comparable. Incidentally, if the Academy, as you seem to be saying, actually do favour sprawling army shots over most other visual effects work, why did they not award ILM for its pioneering work on the Gungan/Droid Army battle in The Phantom Menace? It was Lucas through ILM, and not Jackson through WETA, that was the first to pull off such an incredible feat.
Philip203 posted:
Ok, now really finally. I would probably give the nod to McDiarmid, not because of his body of work, but because of his character in ROTS. Not solely the evil mastermind that we considered him to be, McDiarmid plays Palpatine as an almost perverted uncle or father figure - gently playing to Anakin's weaknesses and building him up to suit himself. I like this because it highlights the nuance that the Sith must exert in order to remain hidden and operate with such stealth. McDiarmid's portrayal shows the seductive and perverse nature of the Sith - to prepare themselves to throw everything and everyone away to achieve a singular goal.
That was an interesting and eloquent observation. I'm not contending this one: I'd just like to thank you for making it. So, thank you.
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battlewars
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i hope kong wins for effects it definitely deserves it, what with new york, skull island, and of course kong himself. great effin job as far as i'm concerned
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the PT was probably the single biggest disaster in film history
This is an utterly ludricrous and ridiculous lie. Sorry but I'm not gonna
mince words. There is not a single fact to back this up. If anyone honestly
thinks the PT was the biggest bomb in film history then you are completely
ignorant of film history and have apparently never heard of such true disasters
as Cleopatra, Hudson Hawk, Heaven's Gate, and the recent remake of Around the
World in 80 Days. Mars Attacks! anyone?
The PT was not even remotely a disaster. That's some desperate or wishful
thinking on someone's part. All three films made HUGE profits, sold millions
and millions of DVDs and VHS copies, and continued to make Lucasfilm the most
successful independent film company on planet Earth. That means, duh, it wasn't
a disaster. People can debate the artistic merits all they want to, acting, writing,
blah, blah, blah, that's fine and that's open for debate. But a disaster in the
film business is when you spend gargantuan amounts of money creating a movie and
nobody shows up to buy tickets. Sorry, but that just didn't happen with the PT.
Look up the stats on Box Office Mojo. They were all big hits, by any reasonable
definition of the word.
Does money equal quality? (Someone will inevitably bring up that tired old debate.) No, not necessarily. But it does tell you what people want to spend their entertainment dollars on, and by that standard, the PT was a raging success. It sold BILLIONS of dollars worth of tickets. Unlike Serenity. Now THAT was a disaster. I can guarantee you, there won't be a Serenity II and there won't be any Serenity prequels. That's because nobody bought tickets
to see it. It's box office future is as dead as dead can be. Now THAT'S a disaster.
It would be nice if ROTS could win a couple of technical Oscars.
But if it doesn't, that's not a disaster.
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