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battlewars
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seriously JOHNWESLEYDOWNEY the movies you mentioned arent that bad compared to the pt
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[quote=JohnWesleyDowney][i]the PT was probably the single biggest disaster in film history
This is an utterly ludricrous and ridiculous lie. Sorry but I'm not gonna
mince words. There is not a single fact to back this up. If anyone honestly
thinks the PT was the biggest bomb in film history then you are completely
ignorant of film history and have apparently never heard of such true disasters
as Cleopatra, Hudson Hawk, Heaven's Gate, and the recent remake of Around the
World in 80 Days. Mars Attacks! anyone?
The PT was not even remotely a disaster. That's some desperate or wishful
thinking on someone's part. All three films made HUGE profits, sold millions
and millions of DVDs and VHS copies, and continued to make Lucasfilm the most
successful independent film company on planet Earth. That means, duh, it wasn't
a disaster. People can debate the artistic merits all they want to, acting, writing,
blah, blah, blah, that's fine and that's open for debate. But a disaster in the
film business is when you spend gargantuan amounts of money creating a movie and
nobody shows up to buy tickets. Sorry, but that just didn't happen with the PT.
Look up the stats on Box Office Mojo. They were all big hits, by any reasonable
definition of the word.
Does money equal quality? (Someone will inevitably bring up that tired old debate.) No, not necessarily. But it does tell you what people want to spend their entertainment dollars on, and by that standard, the PT was a raging success. It sold BILLIONS of dollars worth of tickets. Unlike Serenity. Now THAT was a disaster. I can guarantee you, there won't be a Serenity II and there won't be any Serenity prequels. That's because nobody bought tickets
to see it. It's box office future is as dead as dead can be. Now THAT'S a disaster.
It would be nice if ROTS could win a couple of technical Oscars.
But if it doesn't, that's not a disaster.[/i]
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I wouldn't say the PT was a disaster either, because SW is always the exception to the rule in movies, for good & bad reasons.
The good reasons is it is critic proof, and no matter what the critics say, a SW movie is gonna make money, no matter if it sucks or it is great. Take TPM, how many people hate that movie, and saw it twice in the theater? That is a SW fan, many oldtimers went a second time just to see if it was true that they thought it was underwhelming. I know fans that went more than twice just cause there was a SW movie in the theaters, but now admit it is not a great movie.
ROTS was going to make huge money because it was the story of HOW Darth Vader came to be. Every fan of the OT was going to see it no matter how much they disliked the TPM & AOTC. Can you name one series where fans who hate the first two movies go see the third movie?
That is SW, you have people who love it and people who hate it, but they all go see it just for that. If you notice TPM made the most money of the three because every fan old & new wanted to see it, the hype was there. AOTC made the least of the money because alot of oldtimers didn't like it, and didn't go back a second time, but it still made 300 million because you have alot of new fans who love it. ROTS didn't make as much as TPM because the original euphoria of no SW film in 16 years had worn off, but again every OT fan had to see how Darth Vader became, and every new fan who loved the first two movies was going to be there.
Was the PT a success? Depends who you ask, and that is why SW is different than any other series, the base is so huge. Serenity may have sequels, but it is a small cult base, just like Star Trek. Only one Star Trek movie has made over 100 million at the box office, Star Trek IV, cause that appealed to more than Star Trek fans being more of a comedic movie. But they have made 9 other Trek films, because there is a smaller base that will turn out for each one.
For alot of oldtimers, the PT was underwhelming for a better word. For newfans, and many old, they welcome the PT and think it was worth it. Movies like Heaven Gate, Hudson Hawk were disasters cause they had no built in audience, and that is why they get labeled disasters. Gigli & Showgirls are another example of a bad movies that is used more as a metaphor now, for something that truly sucks. Now I will tell you they're both bad movies, but I haven't seen every movie ever released, but I'm sure there are worse movies. But it is seeped into our brains, if the reviewer compares it to Gigli, it's got to be bad.
The debate will go on forever cause when you have two trilogies of a popular movie series, you're bound to get some different point of views. SW is popular for many reasons: Action, Effects, Characters, Story, and Mythology. I tend to like the be keen on characters & story, so my tastes may be different than someone who loves the look & feel of other SW movies.
I am just saying that SW is unique, and cause it is such a huge fanbase, it defies all other comparisons to movies, or even movie series.
Sometimes I wish Star Wars was as popular as Star Trek, and was a smaller fanbase so Lucas didn't have to worry about a certain demographic to appeal to. If he wanted to make a more kiddie PG movie like TPM, then make all 3 that way, if you want to make a PG-13 more adult movie like ROTS, than make all 3 that way, when you have a more cult base to deal with, it is easier to pick one or the other.
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I think that maybe he was targetting a new generation for his main audience so that they grew with the films. By the time ROTS comes along the kids that loved TPM are old enough to take the turn. Whether or not he should have targetted the demographic of his older fanbase is another question. I think the older fans would have been happy with the tone of ESB throughout but taken to a more adult level as they are now grown ups themselves (perhaps). Personally I would have prefferd that, and it was always what I envisioned, but that wasn't GL's vision. To be fair he has always said that they really make these films for 12/13 year old kids. Trouble is we all grew up and wanted films for late twenties upwards and we didn't get em. Some of us are happy to enjoy the PT for what they are and some of us can't see past that. It's a shame.
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Nominations and awards are great and a lot of fun, but they don't always go to the best, the best does not always win, the best is not always nominated. The decisions being made are not always informed, they are not always accurate, they are not always fair.
Nominations and awards are great and a lot of fun, but they are not necessary for me to recognize and to know that the STAR WARS films are full of excellence and expertise in imagination, execution and end result. 
Congratulations George Lucas, cast, crew and everyone else involved. Your efforts and talents are absolutely appreciated and any and all accolades are absolutely deserved. 
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Cryogenic
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What I want to know is...
How did this thread degenerate from a discussion of "Lucasfilm's grand Oscar campaign" into yet another thread about the economical/artistic success of the prequel trilogy? I'm fed up of seeing this all over the Internet. Every DAMN thread. Every last mother **** one. Shut up. Move on.
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^^^ What? You mean that you want to actually discuss the chance in hell that ROTS has of snagging an Oscar that is greater than a technical or costume design award? 
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I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
You use costuming as a baseline - and it hasn't even been nominated FOR a nomination in that category!
I'm sorry: I feel I can be objective to the point of saying that Revenge of the Sith doesn't quite deserve "Best Picture" or "Best Actor" awards, but when it comes to Trisha Biggar's magnificent work, this is an appalling dismissal. Oscar can shove it.
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JohnWesleyDowney posted:
the PT was probably the single biggest disaster in film history
This is an utterly ludricrous and ridiculous lie. Sorry but I'm not gonna
mince words. There is not a single fact to back this up. If anyone honestly
thinks the PT was the biggest bomb in film history then you are completely
ignorant of film history and have apparently never heard of such true disasters
as Cleopatra, Hudson Hawk, Heaven's Gate, and the recent remake of Around the
World in 80 Days. Mars Attacks! anyone?
You forgot to mention Ishtar.
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Cryogenic posted:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry!
You use costuming as a baseline - and it hasn't even been nominated FOR a nomination in that category!
I'm sorry: I feel I can be objective to the point of saying that Revenge of the Sith doesn't quite deserve "Best Picture" or "Best Actor" awards, but when it comes to Trisha Biggar's magnificent work, this is an appalling dismissal. Oscar can shove it.
You misunderstand, I apologize for not making myself clear.
I think ROTS will be nominated for Costuming, and feel that it has an excellent chance in this category.
My reference was whether it had any chance in any of the major acting categories (i.e., supporting actor) or whether Lucas had a chance of receiving any recognition himself.
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I hope GL did at least try to push the movie a little for the Academy but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't; plain and simple... he doesn't need them or their gold statue.
Also, this years Oscars will be dominated by movies that made less than $50 million and ranked worse than 60 on the top 100 of 2005; they would be movies like Syriana, Munich, Brokeback Mountain, The Constant Gardener, etc. Hollywood does NOT care about the fact that the general public is the one buying the tickets, therefore what constitutes best picture gets misconstrued in the eyes of the Academy.
I think it's safe to conclude that the Oscars aren't what they used to be and this is why they are consistently falling in ratings each year. People tune in to see the red carpet show then they turn it off because they don't relate to the movies winning the awards. It's mind boggling.
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Cryogenic, I see what you mean, but unfortunately, that is the current state of SW fandom. Some people love all the films, some people don't. That is the situation, depressing as it may seem. On the other hand, if each and every one of us that posts here doesn't love SW in some way, shape or form, then we wouldn't be here, so it's not so bad really.
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agree with leia1964 100% -
the most blatant omission of trisha's work never even being nominated is irrefutable evidence that hollywood can not assess what is the best of the best of anything with the lucas name attached to it. complete political bias, prejudice and stupidity. and they wonder why we don't care about oscars any longer. never watch them. but i used to.
george was on target - a bull's eye actually - with his speech at the people's choice awards.
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Dezdmona posted:
You misunderstand, I apologize for not making myself clear.
I think ROTS will be nominated for Costuming, and feel that it has an excellent chance in this category.
My reference was whether it had any chance in any of the major acting categories (i.e., supporting actor) or whether Lucas had a chance of receiving any recognition himself.
No - you misunderstand.
Have you not visited the official Star Wars website? Revenge of the Sith has been forwarded for nomination in the following three catgeories: Achievement in Makeup, Achievement in Sound Editing and Achievement in Visual Effects. Those are the ONLY awards it is eligible for nomination and potential recognition in. Trisha Biggar and her fantastic work is already out of the running. Read this for more:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20060111.html
EDIT: No, wait. Am I not with all the facts here? Do some categories get selected for nomination LATER? Has Trish still got a chance?
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Cryogenic posted:
Revenge of the Sith has been forwarded for nomination in the following three catgeories: Achievement in Makeup, Achievement in Sound Editing and Achievement in Visual Effects. Those are the ONLY awards it is eligible for nomination and potential recognition in. Trisha Biggar and her fantastic work is already out of the running. Read this for more:
http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publicity/news20060111.html
EDIT: No, wait. Am I not with all the facts here? Do some categories get selected for nomination LATER? Has Trish still got a chance?
Your edit is correct. Not all award nomination categories have been released yet. There is hope...
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at least the costume guild has a clue:
Costume Guild reveals noms
January 11, 2006
The Costume Designers Guild has tapped 15 feature film nominees in three categories, with winners to be announced at its eighth annual awards gala Feb. 25 at the Beverly Hilton.
Louise Frogley copped two noms, for Warner's "Syriana" in the contemporary category and for Warner Independendent's "Good Night, and Good Luck" in the period category.
Fantasy film noms went to Lindy Hemming for Warner's "Batman Begins," Gabriella Pescucci for Warner's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory," Isis Mussenden for Disney/Walden's "The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe," Nina Proctor for Dimension's "Sin City" and Trisha Beggar for Fox's "Star Wars: Episode III -- Revenge of the Sith."
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