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SkottASkywalker  2865 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/06 12:54pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Congratulations Trisha Biggar! applause

 

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CBright7831  1089 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/06 1:49pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Esperanza_Nueva posted:
I know it's a ridiculous long shot, but I'd love to see RotS nominated for Best Picture. I mean, if Lord of the Rings can win Best Picture, RotS should atleast get nominated. (Yes, I'm bitter about RotK winning. tongue )

Please don't tell me you were surprised when ROTK won BP. I saw it happening when Two Towers got nominated for BP in 2003.

 

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CBright7831  1089 posts
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Date Posted: 1/14/06 1:50pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
And ROTS will not be able to stand the power of King Kong in the technical fields.

I don't look for Ian to get nominated due to his funny faces and acting toward the middle of the film.

 

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logray_is_a_quack 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/14/06 5:15pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
The fact remains, the oscars are a crock - I mean, 11 awards for Return of the King. Give me a break!!! Besides, GL don't need no steeenking statues...I think the fact that there are so many wonderful people here, venting their spleens as to how much they love his "pet project" speaks volumes. If you need further proof, just refer back to his acceptance speech for ROTS winning the people's choice award:

"I'm not a big favorite with the critics, but who listens to them? I'm not a big industry favorite either, but of course they are a bunch of studio executives. The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! Thank you. Thank you very much!"

See, the big man knows!!!! Academy awards doth not an utterly fantastic film franchise make. grin

 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5265 posts
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 8:49pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
I always find it hilarious when the Academy Awards and other such institutions are downplayed when they don't vote the way some fans feel they should.

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Cryogenic  2250 posts
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 9:21pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
It goes on in all fan circles for any film series, I think, loco. But the Academy is a very political organisation that doesn't always give credit where it's due. It's not a cut and dry case of pure zealotry.

 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5265 posts
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 9:31pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Oh, I don't put favoritism past the Academy, that's for sure, but I just find the lengths some fans will go to funny, like lashing out at the Academy and tearing down successful franchises and filmmakers, like Peter Jackson and Return of the King.

 

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bebbie  212 posts
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 10:32pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Loco_for_Lucas posted:
Oh, I don't put favoritism past the Academy, that's for sure, but I just find the lengths some fans will go to funny, like lashing out at the Academy and tearing down successful franchises and filmmakers, like Peter Jackson and Return of the King.


Oh tell me! Is that anything like fans tearing down successful franchises and filmmakers, like George Lucas and Star Wars??? Hhhhmmmmm...........


 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5265 posts
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 10:36pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Not really, no, since most of the attacks at Jackson and Lord of the Rings are meant to bring down an accomplished competitor to bring up the latest entries into the Star Wars saga.

 

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logray_is_a_quack 
Registered: Jan '06
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Date Posted: 1/15/06 11:56pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
The reason I say that ROTK winning 11 oscars is ridiculous is not because I dislike Jackson (he's a fellow Kiwi for goodness sake - so so proud dancing ), nor feel jealous that the acadamy has overlooked GL and co. (they've won a few, and besides, the fans are the reason GL is in the game). What I think is ridiculous is that they lavished so much upon the final installment as recompense for the other two films being "snubbed". That, my friends, is not how oscars should be dished out. It should be on the merits of a stand alone film. If anyone thinks that ROTK was the greatest film of that year, then I am truly sorry for those poor, misguided souls. It was almost like (gulp) sympathy statuettes...times eleven!!!! In a similar vein, ROTS should not even be considered for any of the big trophies (acting, actressing, directoring - by the way, I know that those aren't the correct terms)because, lets face it, can anyone say ham? And the dialogue aint that flash either (but thats why Ilove these flicks). But by all means, give a nd for fx, sound editing, costuming, and as someone has previously mooted, a lifetime achievement award for the plaided wonder happy

 

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Miles Lodson  761 posts
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Date Posted: 1/19/06 2:08pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
Loco:

It wasn't PT fans that started the PT/LOTR debates. No, it was those that didn't care for the PT that used LOTR to say "see, this is how Lucas should have done it."

 

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CJedi72  1182 posts
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Date Posted: 1/19/06 8:00pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
logray_is_a_quack posted:
The fact remains, the oscars are a crock - I mean, 11 awards for Return of the King. Give me a break!!! Besides, GL don't need no steeenking statues...I think the fact that there are so many wonderful people here, venting their spleens as to how much they love his "pet project" speaks volumes. If you need further proof, just refer back to his acceptance speech for ROTS winning the people's choice award:

"I'm not a big favorite with the critics, but who listens to them? I'm not a big industry favorite either, but of course they are a bunch of studio executives. The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! Thank you. Thank you very much!"

See, the big man knows!!!! Academy awards doth not an utterly fantastic film franchise make. grin


Well, I don't think you are looking at your SW history and the oscars. The original SW was nominated for 10 Awards in 1977, and received 7 that night. It only won the special effects and editing awards, but at that time no other SciFi up to 1977 had been nominated for the big categories like SW that year: Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guiness). It was nominated for them that year cause it was a great movie, and whatever you want to say about the other 5 sequels, the movie that is always in the top lists of classic movies is the original.

Now you must remember about sequels, they rarely win or even get nominated for the oscars. Godfather II & ROTK are the only two sequels to win best picture, the academy just doesn't nominate sequels for some reason, they feel they have had a leg up on new movies cause they are living off its predecessor. The difference for Lord of the Rings is, they knew all 3 movies were coming out in 2001, 2002, 2003, and decided if one were to win an award, it would be the last movie, if it were good enough, that is why ROTK won the slew of the awards that first two didn't.

Check your facts, the original SW won 7 Academy Awards that night, Lucas got credit for that movie, so I don't want to hear the academy hates Lucas when he knows most sequels of a series never ever get nominated after the original.

 

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Cryogenic  2250 posts
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Date Posted: 1/19/06 9:12pm Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
CJedi72 posted:
logray_is_a_quack posted:
The fact remains, the oscars are a crock - I mean, 11 awards for Return of the King. Give me a break!!! Besides, GL don't need no steeenking statues...I think the fact that there are so many wonderful people here, venting their spleens as to how much they love his "pet project" speaks volumes. If you need further proof, just refer back to his acceptance speech for ROTS winning the people's choice award:

"I'm not a big favorite with the critics, but who listens to them? I'm not a big industry favorite either, but of course they are a bunch of studio executives. The most important people for any filmmaker, the reason that I make films, is for you! The audience rules! Thank you. Thank you very much!"

See, the big man knows!!!! Academy awards doth not an utterly fantastic film franchise make. grin


Well, I don't think you are looking at your SW history and the oscars. The original SW was nominated for 10 Awards in 1977, and received 7 that night. It only won the special effects and editing awards, but at that time no other SciFi up to 1977 had been nominated for the big categories like SW that year: Best Picture, Best Director, Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guiness). It was nominated for them that year cause it was a great movie, and whatever you want to say about the other 5 sequels, the movie that is always in the top lists of classic movies is the original.

Now you must remember about sequels, they rarely win or even get nominated for the oscars. Godfather II & ROTK are the only two sequels to win best picture, the academy just doesn't nominate sequels for some reason, they feel they have had a leg up on new movies cause they are living off its predecessor. The difference for Lord of the Rings is, they knew all 3 movies were coming out in 2001, 2002, 2003, and decided if one were to win an award, it would be the last movie, if it were good enough, that is why ROTK won the slew of the awards that first two didn't.

Check your facts, the original SW won 7 Academy Awards that night, Lucas got credit for that movie, so I don't want to hear the academy hates Lucas when he knows most sequels of a series never ever get nominated after the original.


You conveniently left out the fact that Lucas broke away from Hollywood and the Guild once TESB was in the can. I definitely think, as do many other fans, that there's been some mutual dislike between the two since then. That's point number one. The second point is that Star Wars is comprised of no less than six films - three of which came along sixteen years and a whole generation after the first set. They deserved a fresh look-in by the Academy. Lastly, the Academy didn't stockpile all of its Oscars for LotR's final installment - it bestowed several on Fellowship and The Two Towers. Moreover, it was earlier said (and is also implied in your post) that the musical scores to sequels do not warrant further recognition if an earlier film has already been decorated - yet Fellowship and Return of the King BOTH won for "Best Original Score". That Attack of the Clones, and The Phantom Menace especially, didn't win a single award is appalling. But what's done is done. It isn't the first mistake or deliberate snub by the Academy - and it certainly won't be the last.

 

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CJedi72  1182 posts
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Date Posted: 1/20/06 5:13am Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
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You conveniently left out the fact that Lucas broke away from Hollywood and the Guild once TESB was in the can. I definitely think, as do many other fans, that there's been some mutual dislike between the two since then. That's point number one. The second point is that Star Wars is comprised of no less than six films - three of which came along sixteen years and a whole generation after the first set. They deserved a fresh look-in by the Academy. Lastly, the Academy didn't stockpile all of its Oscars for LotR's final installment - it bestowed several on Fellowship and The Two Towers. Moreover, it was earlier said (and is also implied in your post) that the musical scores to sequels do not warrant further recognition if an earlier film has already been decorated - yet Fellowship and Return of the King BOTH won for "Best Original Score". That Attack of the Clones, and The Phantom Menace especially, didn't win a single award is appalling. But what's done is done. It isn't the first mistake or deliberate snub by the Academy - and it certainly won't be the last.[/quote]


Yes, but Lord of the Rings is a more 'academy' type movie. It is epic, and the academy loves those types of movies, I compare it to Braveheart, just in middle earth.

Even the original SW isn't an 'academy' movie, but it was so good of a movie, they would look foolish not nominate it in '77. But look at other scifi/action classics of that period: The Terminator, Back to the Future, Alien, Aliens, Superman, none of these movies were nominated for best picture. Does that mean they hate Camereon, Zemeckis, and Ridley Scott too? Ridley Scott got nominated for Gladiator, cause that was an epic roman tale. Cameron finally got nominated for Titanic, an epic historical movie.

Raiders of the Lost Ark was nominated for Best Picture in 1981, and had multiple nominations in other categories, but Temple of Doom and Last Crusade got zero, so was Lucas & Spielberg hated after the original Indiana Jones? No, the original is a true classic, and the sequels are just sequels and thats it, and that is why they aren't nominated.

You guys have to get out of SW fan rose colored glasses. Just because we love the movies, doesn't mean they appeal to the masses. I love ESB, but I don't think it was better than Raging Bull that year in 1980, and that didn't even win! After the original, they are just sequels, and they appeal to a base of fans that are loyal, but thats it, you don't recommend to someone, "Go see TPM, I think you'll love it, or ROTJ or ESB," if they don't love SW, they won't love those movies. The only movie I would recommend to an outsider would be the original, and if they loved it, then I would recommend the other 5, and they may like them.

After SW, ESB got nominated for 2 awards and won one, ROTJ got 4 noms, TPM got 3 noms, and AOTC got 1 nomination. And Lucas got the Irving Thalberg Award in 1992 for Lifetime Achievement from the Academy. To me for a movie series to have 15 nomination, 8 wins, and the director gets a lifetime achievement award AFTER he left the guild, to me that is far from being hated.

Lucas has just being saying the press hates me and SW since the PT came out, because this is the first time he has gotten criticized by his fans. If you ask any OT fan who grew up with Lucas, he was god to us, but now many older fans, and not all of them, but many older fans are disgusted with the SE, and not releasing the O-OT on DVD, and the underwhelming PT, and that is why all of the sudden Lucas says that the press has always hated SW. True, alot of them did when the OT was being released, but the fanbase never revolted and always stood behind him, but once TPM came out, the fans base split and has been like that ever since. Just check the internet, you have a bunch of SW fans who are fighting with each other, back when I was a kid, and someone liked SW, I took their back, even though we may have disagreed about which SW movies were better.

 

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Get_in_Gear  5101 posts
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Date Posted: 1/20/06 5:39am Subject: RE: Lucasfilms grand Oscar campaign
You are right about one thing - a faction of the fan base is definitely revolting...

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