Get_in_Gear posted:

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You are right about one thing - a faction of the fan base is definitely [i]revolting...

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CJedi72 posted:

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and you answered my response with sarcasm and no substance.

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CJedi72 posted:

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If you countered my point and told me why you disagree with me and think I'm wrong, I would respect that.

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CJedi72 posted:

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but the nice one line answers, BORRRRRRRRRINNNNNNG!

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CJedi72 posted:

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Yes, but Lord of the Rings is a more 'academy' type movie. It is epic, and the academy loves those types of movies, I compare it to Braveheart, just in middle earth.

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CJedi72 posted:

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Even the original SW isn't an 'academy' movie, but it was so good of a movie, they would look foolish not nominate it in '77. But look at other scifi/action classics of that period: The Terminator, Back to the Future, Alien, Aliens, Superman, none of these movies were nominated for best picture.

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CJedi72 posted:

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Does that mean they hate Camereon, Zemeckis, and Ridley Scott too? Ridley Scott got nominated for Gladiator, cause that was an epic roman tale. Cameron finally got nominated for Titanic, an epic historical movie.

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CJedi72 posted:

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Raiders of the Lost Ark was nominated for Best Picture in 1981, and had multiple nominations in other categories, but Temple of Doom and Last Crusade got zero, so was Lucas & Spielberg hated after the original Indiana Jones? No, the original is a true classic, and the sequels are just sequels and thats it, and that is why they aren't nominated.

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CJedi72 posted:

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You guys have to get out of SW fan rose colored glasses. Just because we love the movies, doesn't mean they appeal to the masses.

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Get_in_Gear posted:

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CJedi72 posted:

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Yes, but Lord of the Rings is a more 'academy' type movie. It is epic, and the academy loves those types of movies, I compare it to Braveheart, just in middle earth.

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The Academy is swings and roundabouts.
I wouldn't like to say what is an "Academy"-type movie - I mean could you say what is going to win each category this year?
Sometimes it is easy to predict, sometimes it is not.
The French Connection, Annie Hall, The Appartment, Midnight Cowboy and The Sting are relatively left-field winners in my opinion.
Whereas stuff like Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Graduate and a whole host of other movies looked like dead-certs but were cruelly overlooked in their respective years for lesser movies.

I don't feel the original Star Wars was overlooked in any way. Annie Hall is an amazing film - it was as innovative in it's own way as Lucas' movie was.
Empire would have been up against Raging Bull, The Elephant Man and Ordinary People even if it had been nominated.

But then, personally, I don't read much into the Oscars - it's nice to see people who deserve them winning, but generally it is a day for industry back-slapping.
It very rarely seizes the zeitgeist.
And the ceremony itself has become witless and tedious.
If you look at the string of best picture winners through the 80s - that was the absolute nadir, barring perhaps Platoon.
Pure Saccharine.
At least the odd American Beauty slips in every now and again these days.
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I do agree that much, that most of the time the Oscars are wrong on what is best film. To me the year Saving Private Ryan lost, I kinda put my hands up. Then the last few years to me the winners have been good movies, but no classics: Million Dollar Baby, A Beautiful Mind, Chicago, Gladiator. But compare that to the 90's: Braveheart, Silence of the Lambs, Schindlers List, Unforgiven, even Apollo 13 & Goodfellas are better than any of the 2000's winners, and they both lost!

CJedi72 posted:

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Even the original SW isn't an 'academy' movie, but it was so good of a movie, they would look foolish not nominate it in '77. But look at other scifi/action classics of that period: The Terminator, Back to the Future, Alien, Aliens, Superman, none of these movies were nominated for best picture.

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See, I don't really lump SW in with those other movies.
I wouldn't really compare them with SW.

CJedi72 posted:

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Does that mean they hate Camereon, Zemeckis, and Ridley Scott too? Ridley Scott got nominated for Gladiator, cause that was an epic roman tale. Cameron finally got nominated for Titanic, an epic historical movie.

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Heh - I thought both films were pretty trite.
I dunno - who is saying that the Academy hates those directors?
Lucas' best shot a bagging best picture was probably American Graffiti, then maybe Star Wars.
I don't think any of his other work has been in with a shout of being nominated for Best Picture...
...but then I would have said the same about LOTR:ROTK.
I can see your Braveheart comparison, but there is another cloying movie.
I just don't like to second guess the Academy, because there were better films than Jackson's that year.


I just mean that the academy loves Epic movies, and SW are not epic movies. SW are two hour 30's style B movies, and movies like that, except for the original SW, they just aren't going to nominate.

For me I think Lord of the Rings are way overrated for the academy awards, and I think they are better than the Prequels. But they are not the masterpieces that everyone says they are. I enjoyed them, I respect what Peter Jackson did in trying to adapt a classic books like that, but I think they are alittle overrated sometimes cause their too damn long. I just think by the time you get to the 4th or 5th movie of a series, the academy isn't going to recognize it anymore, cause they feel they you are just being successful for the previous movies. Is it fair, not at all, but I think they just feel an original movie should have more weight than an already established sequel.

CJedi72 posted:

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You guys have to get out of SW fan rose colored glasses. Just because we love the movies, doesn't mean they appeal to the masses.

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Guess I'll have to read back through this thread to see what you are referring to from hereon in...

But basically, I love the prequels and the originals.
If LOTR can sweep the board, then ROTS certainly deserves a few awards.
And I think Lucas cut himself off from the industry as much as they have cut him off.
But his comments are valid - he's not just talking about awards, he is talking about his entire experience of the system... recognition is not just about statuettes.

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