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morpher-2005
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12/10/05 9:35am
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So, Anakin is Othello, Palpetine is Iago, Padme is Desdemona and Obi Wan is Cassio.
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Obviously Iago (Palpatine) twists the mind of Othello (Anakin) to make him think that his wife, Desdemona (Padme) and Cassio (Obi Wan) are betraying him.
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JMN77
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Interesting.
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Alpha-Red
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I believe I read about this on Wikipedia's entry on Palpatine.
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darth-sinister
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12/10/05 11:52am
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There is a bit of a similarity, but not to the same degree that Shakespeare did it.
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sithrules70
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i see the similarity but very subtle
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voodoopuuduu
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12/10/05 3:38pm
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And Anakin is black (when in the suit).  I think you can strech to find similiarities, but you can also make it fit other stories too.
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Yes, I believe they are second cousins.
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TheCRZA
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Damn you Yosh! You beat me to the joke!
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sithrules70
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i was thinking about it too 
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PADMELUVA
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12/10/05 7:36pm
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even before i saw the movie...i have always seen the connection. funny how both desamona and padme both die due to strangulation
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TheCRZA
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Only, Padme didn't die of strangulation. She lost the will to live.
She would have died whether Anakin choked her or not.
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sithrules70
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CRZA speaks the truth,the choke means squad regarding her death,is there only to show how far he had fallen
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RebelScum77
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12/10/05 8:26pm
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There are quite a lot of similiarities between Shakespeare and Star Wars. Lucas was using many of the same character archetypes as Shakespeare. Palpatine is similiar to Iago, also to Lady Macbeth... Padme to Desdemona and Ophelia... Anakin to Macbeth and Othello etc. Even the Force is a comparable supernatural element to Macbeth's witches or ancient oracles. Star Wars and Shakespeare both share similiar elements with classical myths and stories. This is probably why the characters and storyline of Star Wars resonates so strongly with people, the structure is built upon archetypes that have existed for centuries.
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PADMELUVA
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it was a generalization guys, gimme a break.
also desdemona and othellos relationship was a secret at the start of the play.
desdemona was the daughter of a senator, while padme actually is one.
anakin and othello both lash out at their wives because of misconstrued signals of betrayal and mistrust.
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TheCRZA
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12/10/05 9:13pm
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This is probably why the characters and storyline of Star Wars resonates so strongly with people, the structure is built upon archetypes that have existed for centuries.
Millenia, really. Since Uncle Will was so greatly influenced by Roman and Greek
storytelling/myths... one can trace SW back through the tradition of western
storytelling. I need more hobbies...
But yea, there's a connection there because of the general thematic, er, uh, themes.
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Dezdmona
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12/12/05 12:52pm
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I believe that the mythmaker in Lucas was influenced by Shakespeare's Othello for the outline of the interactions of Anakin (Othello), Padmé (Desdemona), Obi Wan (Cassio), and Palpatine (Iago). (BTW, Othello starts in the middle of the story, then goes back and provides the background, before it finishes.)
I will briefly review the emotional aspects of the actual play and see if any of it sounds vaguely familiar (no doubt I will leave something out (and GL would not follow the story exactly, but there are some pretty fascinating thematic coincidences)…
Othello is raised a slave, grows up to be a (good-looking) hero of many battles. Othello falls madly in love with Desdemona and they marry. They hardly know each other. Desdemona is from a wealthy family of status. It is a profane/obsessive love. Iago (which means "two faced") decides to bring about Othello's fall by convincing him that Desdemona has betrayed him with Cassio (his lieutenant and friend in many battles). As Iago continues to whisper to Othello throughout the play and stage various situations to convince him of Cassio & Desdemona's betrayal, Othello becomes more confused and angry. Eventually he casts out Cassio and chokes Desdemona to her death*. Othello has lost all emotional control. In Desdemona's dying breath she absolves Othello of all blame for his actions. Both Cassio and Desdemona were loyal to Othello. It was Iago who was the deceiver. Othello ultimately discovers the truth, and wants to kill Iago, Cassio survives. Othello commits suicide in his grief that Iago has betrayed him and he has killed his beloved wife. The play closes with Iago recommended for execution at some later time.
Desdemona appears so forthright and outspoken in the early Acts but then seems to take on a new persona in latter Acts submitting even to the point of death to her husband's tyrannical and ireful impulses, she is a woman who cannot live without loving.
Iago is generally agreed upon as one of the more evil people in great literature; there is really nothing redeeming about him.
*There is some literature speculates that Othello does not complete the murder of his wife but that she revives and dies of a broken heart.
Most of the analogy plays out on the final scene on Mustafar where Anakin see's Obi Wan behind Padmé on her starship thinking that she brought him to Mustafar and she has now betrayed him. Then he force chokes her, etc.... It was not until that final scene played out that the analogy became obvious. As previously mentioned, it's just one of many thematic plot devices GL uses that are overlayed together.
GL has been influenced by many sources in the creation of these films (as has been mentioned before), old movies, religions, and literature; sometimes within the same scene.
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A conversation between Bill Moyers and George Lucas on the meaning of the Force and the true theology of Star Wars
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