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JONJEDI
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12/12/05 1:19pm
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I noticed the connection too. Like the way Padme and Anakin are so in love at the start then by the end Othello is all full of hate as is Anakin and both believe there wives are betraying them yet the wife is totally innocent. Also Iago and Palpatine, both opperate from the shadows and control everything that happens in the story.
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darth_almond
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12/12/05 4:32pm
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heh, when i first saw this thread i thought you meant Othello the board game.
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Obi-Chron
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JEJ played Othello a number of times. JEJ voice the helmeted Vader!
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Ceethreepio
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It is also a lot like other stories just you have to know how to look.
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Lyvia
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12/14/05 7:28pm
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Padme didnt die of strangulation or because of the man she loves she dies because of her own weakness
There is no villain like Iago and to compare him to Palpatine whose manipulations are weak and only take 5secs is quite insulting to Shakespeare. Iago was a mastermind and it was shown what a grat mastermind he was the only reason it is beleived that Palpatine was so good is because it is stated. "Palpatine is an evil man who manipulates and is ruler of an entire galaxy" with Iago we were shown how good he was instead of having it just stated. Plus Palpatine never tried to make Anakin think that Obi-Wan and Padme were betraying him, he only used Anakins lust for power and turned him against the jedi. There is still no clear reason why Anakin turned against Obi-wan...he was just his friend one second and his enemy the next. Othello's murder of Desdemona was calculated and planned, Anakin's was just another one of his hissy fits. Shakespeare was a master of speech, plot, and personality its truly an insult to compare him to George Lucas who admits he sux at writing. There are very little similarities between the two stories only the slave aspect and a lover who chokes his wife; thats where it ends. Iago is no more like Palpatine than Hitler was; Iago didnt want power he just wanted to destroy people and took pleasure in it. Yes I am very defensive of Iago because I had to write a paper on him and I also really like the character.
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Dezdmona
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Lyvia posted:
Plus Palpatine never tried to make Anakin think that Obi-Wan and Padme were betraying him
...actually that's not entirely true...(it just took too much away from Anakin's story), GL actually had this idea as a subtext, but dropped the idea in the final drafts of the script...
Padmé's funeral dress was very Ophelia -
a famous painting of Ophelia:
Sir John Everett Millais's Ophelia is surrounded by lush, blooming nature.
Shakespeare's Ophelia, mad with grief, falls while picking flowers. Millais presents her floating in the water. The garland of flowers she picked is floating in the water with her. He carefully renders the poppies and violets as symbols of her death and faithfulness.
Padmé's funeral dress is designed to look like water and she has flowers floating around her face.
No one has proposed that GL copied Shakespeare's work exactly, but that he has used themes from historical literature, films and mythology in creating his own hero journey.
Iago is only one metaphor for Palpatine.
I would consider the Devil the primary metaphor for Darth Sidious.
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OBIWAN-JR
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12/15/05 3:29am
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>>>> Obviously Iago (Palpatine) twists the mind of Othello (Anakin) to make him think that his wife, Desdemona (Padme) and Cassio (Obi Wan) are betraying him.
This was a theme that was far more prevalent in the original script and edit of the film, but George decided to reduce it's importance in the story once he hit the editing room. There are still traces of the theme wafting through the final film: Anakin's comment about Obi-Wan having been in the apartment, and statements to both Padme and Obi-Wan in the Mustafar landing platform scene are evidence of this. Also the deleted scene on the DVD, in which Palpatine casts doubt on Padme's character, when speaking with Anakin, highlight this further.
Great posts as usual, Dez.
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Dezdmona
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andkiich
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12/15/05 10:12am
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All these stories and mythology intertwine. There are not too many ideas left or situations that have not been written about. just about all the original ideas have been used up.
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DarthSapient
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12/15/05 10:47am
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The names and faces of people change over the years. Even thousands of years. But situations, basic human emotions and desires, will never change. This is the familiarity of the Star Wars films and the reason they tie into so many pre-existing myths, religions, philosophies, and plays.
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lovelucas
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12/15/05 10:52am
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but george recognized we were losing that mythic connection -
regarding echoes of othello- palpatine/iago is the pourer of poison into anakin/othello's ear and very much like othello in one misguided (by palps) act anakin has caused the very thing he feared most of all - the loss of padme....
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DarthSapient
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Periodically, the classics and timeless stories must be told in a new way that relates to the current generation so the lessons in them can remain fresh and relevant.
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Lyvia
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I don't get why people continuously say, "in the original story GL meant to do this...." The majority of people on this board, if not all, have seen the movie. Not all of us buy thousands of books, or listen to the dvd commentaries etc. If GL wanted to get something across in his story he should have put it on film where everyone could see it. I have read the ROTS book and in that story Palps was trying to make it seem like Obi-wan and Padme had a relationship but it was fully developed in the book nor the movie. I do see hints of Shakespeare especially with Padme's funeral. But Anakin isnt Othello and Padme isnt Desdemona in that Desdemona actually had a real reason for dying. I think Palps could vaguely resemble Iago if instead of having padme as Desdemona it was the jedi in general who is a symbol of the innocent Desdemona being destroyed by the misguided Othello/Anakin
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PrinceEspaaValorum
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12/15/05 6:08pm
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Just saw Olivier as Othello last night on TCM. One of his best performances. I see similarities, but it seems GL is influence by Shakespeare's tragic hero in general, not just one play.
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lovelucas
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12/16/05 6:55am
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i agree - no one implied that this was scene for scene word for word intent for intent a replica of othello. shakespeare is the influence and more than one story
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