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gnostic_solo
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1/11/06 2:02am
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well i saw it a couple times and I didn't see the confliction.I saw a man full of hate consumed by the darkside and power.He looks like one of those sinister nazi agents preparing for a massacre.He is merely an instrument of sidious.WHy did he accept to kill the younglings when his wife was in danger? why did he not stood up to sidious ,at that moment he was still more powerful with the force.He should have went looking for her in stead of killing younglings.When he kneels before sidious ,5 minutes before he felt remorse,but at the same time he accepts to kill young kids.that'spremedidated murder,he decided rationaly.He did not listen to his midichloreans like quigon advised to him.
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darth_frared
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1/11/06 2:11am
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well, i don't think it's listening to midichlorians.
anyway, the conflict is symbolized by his tears. watch it again and you will see them in that scene and on mustafar.
sinister nazi agents are usually very enthusiastic about their assignments. anakin is not. he has to put on a show, too, for sidious because he cannot appear doubting what he is told to do. i don't think sid would accept him questioning his assignemnts.
and finally, i know this is getting old, but vader is conflicted throughout the OT, he has to be, otherwise there'd be no reason for him to turn back.
He is merely an instrument of sidious.
exactly. he makes himself an instrument until he becomes an instrument. it's genius (on sid's side). he will give him a role and he tries it on for size until he fits into it and not the other way around.
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OBIWAN-JR
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Gnostic, did you not see the tear running down Anakin's face as he stood on the Mustafar balcony, after he had slaughtered the Separatists.....?
Anakin IS conflicted, but he has come too far down the dark path to go back now.
He feels he can only go forward.
Only when Luke arrives on the scene, does he start to see that there might be a way back.
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AnnLouise
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darth_frared posted:
i don't think he really had time and space to make that decision.
and he *is* conflicted over it. not sure what movie you've seen.
He had the time throughout the movie. He has time to knows he feels lost, that he will do anything to "save" his wife. All through ROTS, Anakin gets information, from both the Jedi and Sith, from Obi-wan and Padme. He mulls over this info, esp. in the Opera scene. After Mace is killed, Anakin makes a quick descision using all this information.
And conflicted or not, he chose to go forward to attain his goal, power to prevent death.
Can anyone more well-versed in this relate what the resp. of a soldier is when given an unlawful order?
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darth-sinister
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1/11/06 11:37am
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Like I've said before. If one Jedi child survives, they can come back and destroy the Sith. Look no further than the OT.
VADER: "What is thy bidding, my Master."
SIDIOUS: "There is a great disturbence in the Force."
VADER: "I have felt it."
SIDIOUS: "We have a new enemy. The young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star. I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker."
VADER: "How is that possible?"
SIDIOUS: "Search your feelings, Lord Vader. You will know it to be true. He could destroy us."
VADER: "He's just a boy. Obi-Wan can no longer help him."
SIDIOUS: "The Force is strong with him. The son of Skywalker must not become a Jedi."
VADER: "If he could be turned, he could be a powerful asset."
SIDIOUS: "Yes, yes. Can it be done?"
VADER: "He will join us or die, Master."
"The telling of this story of Anakin going into the Jedi temple and the other Jedi getting killed through the order 66 of the clones is just done as one of those kind of inevitable pay offs in terms of getting rid of everybody, the Emperor is getting rid of all his enemies, but there’s a certain inevitability of it all and a sadness to it."
--George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.
"The thing with the kids is necessary to establish how far down the road he’d (Anakin) come to do something that, this brutal and barbaric and it had to be in there but I definitely didn’t want to show it. It was really in the editorial process that the idea of inter-cutting her (Padme) with him when he’s at his very worst with her worrying about him. That juxtaposition works quite well cause it reflects as much on the slaughter of the children as it does on her concerns about him even though she doesn’t know the children have been slaughtered. There is a strong emotional connection when those sequences are pushed up against each other."
--George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.
"He is lying to her but rationalizing what he is saying. Lying to himself. He knows he’s wrong but won't admit it. Padme could never live with him now."
--George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.
"There's always this good in you. And the good part is saying 'what am I doing?'. Then the bad part kicks in and says 'I'm doing this for Padme, I'm doing this for the galaxy and so we can have a better life'. But the good part is always saying 'WHAT AM I DOING?!"
--George Lucas to Hayden Christensen, Hyperspace webdoc.
"Anakin on the balcony contemplating what he’s done. This is the first time he actually has a chance to think about what it is that’s happened by himself and the tear here shows that he knows what he’s done but he’s not committed himself a path that he may not agree with but he is going to go along anyway.
It’s the one moment that says he’s self aware. He rationalizing all his behavior. He’s doing terrible things. But in the end he really knows the truth. He knows that he’s evil now and there’s nothing he can do about it and that’s the moment where the pathos of him being stuck in that suit is real because if he had to do it over he probably wouldn’t do it but he can't stop it now.
You know where it's going to lead. He knows it will end with a fight with Obi Wan. He knows that Padme not buy into this new reality. He made a pact with the devil and now he’s become the devil.
The sad thing is Padme says there is still good in him and Luke says in ROTJ there is good in you. Its recurring. There is good in him. And that will bring balance to the force. He needs to get rid of the Sith and bring balance to the Force."
--George Lucas, ROTS DVD Commentary.
"Anakin/Darth does what he does because he believes he's doing it for the good of the universe."
--Hayden Christensen, GQ Magazine.
"What drove me to make these movies is that this is a really interesting story about how people go bad. In this particular case, the premise is: Nobody thinks they're bad. They simply have different points of view. This is about a kid that's really wonderful. He has some flaws - and those flaws ultimately do him in."
--George Lucas, The Making Of ROTS; Page 53.
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darth_frared
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1/11/06 11:49am
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AnnLouise posted:
darth_frared posted:
i don't think he really had time and space to make that decision.
and he *is* conflicted over it. not sure what movie you've seen.
He had the time throughout the movie. He has time to knows he feels lost, that he will do anything to "save" his wife. All through ROTS, Anakin gets information, from both the Jedi and Sith, from Obi-wan and Padme. He mulls over this info, esp. in the Opera scene. After Mace is killed, Anakin makes a quick descision using all this information.
And conflicted or not, he chose to go forward to attain his goal, power to prevent death.
Can anyone more well-versed in this relate what the resp. of a soldier is when given an unlawful order?
i more referred to choosing killing the younglings, which sid never didn't tell him nothing about. so, i'm not sure what sort of decision you mean. doing anything for his wife was already set. he just didn't know about the price.
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