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Was Palpatine in-love with Anakin's Power?
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Obi-Chron
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1/14/06 10:00pm
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I am alone, but unfraid -- because the mind is a terrible thing, and it must be stopped, before someone gets killed!
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darth-sinister
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The debate is fine. Junvinle jokes aren't.
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angelicusdiablos
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darth sinister posted:
The debate is fine. Junvinle jokes aren't.
Im sorry to disagree with you DARTH SINISTER but theres nothing fine about this debate. I take little pleasure in finding non existant perversions. If your open minded enough to permit Old Zens implications then Im sure youll welcome the respective voice of opposing opinion; I trust we are in the presence of an unbiased moderator of course. I apreciate that the gestings of others are indeed counteractive. However you cannot silence the voice of adversity simply by shielding an alleged minority. Certainly I would never judge something for its ties with homosexuality but know one simple truth; that does not mean I cannot condemn them as I would any other heterosexual. It would appear quite a few hide behind the fact that there beliefs on this topic are fundamentally stemming from a minority. Any criticism against the homoerotic subtext suggested is distorted and accused of being subjective and prejudice or even as intolerance. Its almost as ridiculous as this thread. I dare say predict a retort: If you dont like it dont bother coming here. Well heres an epiphany for you, I dont like this thread, Ill read it as I please and Ill post as I see fit. So just dont bother.
 I apologise for the aggression but the only minority that need assistance here are those with the common sense to object. Will anyone else succumb to the voice of reason.
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Magical_Maestro
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1/15/06 1:08am
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Let's use some good old fashioned deductive reasoning here:
Male homosexuals exude sexual attraction towards other men.
Palpatine does not exude sexual attraction towards other men.
Therefore Palpatine is not a homosexual.
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darth_frared
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Obi-Chron posted:
I am alone, but unfraid -- because the mind is a terrible thing, and it must be stopped, before someone gets killed!
i'm here, too!
although i do guess that we have deduced that while palps enjoys the scenario and the power he has over anakin, anakin does not and neither has much enthusiasm for loving palps. so we *could* close the debate (if only the reactions of people weren't so silly at times)
i still find it sort of funny that people can get so worked up about the supposed purity of the GFFA characters. or the purity of george's vision. there is loads upon loads of loss of innocence going on ROTS alone so you'd think palps turning out to be gay is no big deal. but hey! murdering is fine and can be discussed, sexuality is a no-no.
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mandragora
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1/15/06 2:03am
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Magical_Maestro posted:
Let's use some good old fashioned deductive reasoning here:
Male homosexuals exude sexual attraction towards other men.
Palpatine does not exude sexual attraction towards other men.
Therefore Palpatine is not a homosexual.
interesting theories in this thread on homosexuality ... 
how come I find some lesbians attractive and others not?
how come I find some men, either gay or straight, attractive and others not?
how come other women find different men and women attractive than I do?
your deductive reasoning falls with the lack of generality of its first and second premise.
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Magical_Maestro
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mandragora posted:
how come I find some lesbians attractive and others not?
how come I find some men, either gay or straight, attractive and others not?
how come other women find different men and women attractive than I do?
your deductive reasoning falls with the lack of generality of its first and second premise.
I haven't a clue, but what I do know is that my argument is sound because the conclusion follows the premises as a matter of necessity.
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mandragora
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Magical_Maestro posted:
I haven't a clue, but what I do know is that my argument is sound because the conclusion follows the premises as a matter of necessity.
That won't help if the premises themselves are flawed.
Different people find different men and women, gay/lesbian or straight, attractive. There's no such thing as universal attractivity.
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Magical_Maestro
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mandragora posted:
your deductive reasoning fails with the it's generality of its first and second premises.
After taking another gander at my contention, your absolutely right, so now allow me to revise it:
If Palpatine were homosexual, Lucas would have said so, or in some way, alluded to this possibility.
Lucas does not ever say so, nor does he ever allude to this possibility.
Therefore Palpatine is not a homosexual.
Better?
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mandragora
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Magical_Maestro posted:
After taking another gander at my contention, your absolutely right, so now allow me to revise it:
If Palpatine were homosexual, Lucas would have said so, or in some way, alluded to this possibility.
Lucas does not ever say so, nor does he ever allude to this possibility.
Therefore Palpatine is not a homosexual.
Better?
Better - although I don't agree with the idea that nothing that hasn't been spelled out or alluded to by George Lucas can be there in the SW movies.
Considering the reactions in this thread on the mere possibility, he would be mad to mention it explicitely.
Since I don't view homosexuality as a "pervesity" - after all, according to WHO 90 percent of all people are bisexual to a degree - the discomposure this idea is provoking here really surprises me. We had a similar discussion on a board in my country and interestingly no-one got upset about it or called it a far-fetched or ridiculous idea. If anything, some posters expressed amusement because the hints in the movie are done so blatantly.
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darth_frared
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mandragora posted:
I don't agree with the idea that nothing that hasn't been spelled out or alluded to by George Lucas can be there in the SW movies.
Considering the reactions in this thread on the mere possibility, he would be mad to mention it explicitely.
so absolutely right.
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darth-sinister
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I'm fine with letting people discuss the pros and cons of whether it's in the film or not. Whether it's inentional or not. How it affects the films. I'm against "dropping the soap" jokes. That to me is juvenile, because you're just making jokes for the sake of it and not because you want to discuss this in an adult manner. Humor has a time and place. This isn't the time or place to have them.
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angelicusdiablos
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darthfrared posted:
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I don't agree with the idea that nothing that hasn't been spelled out or alluded to by George Lucas can be there in the SW movies.
Considering the reactions in this thread on the mere possibility, he would be mad to mention it explicitely.
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so absolutely right.
Oh please, stop playing the weaker minority and hiding behind claims of intolerance. NOBODIES ATTACKING YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR PRO-HOMOSEXUAL VIEWS! Your just getting a harsh response because your claims are just so lacking in the common sense department. Honestly, Im not trying to offend some of you but you really need to know why its bothering others.
 If this thread was titled WHAT IF PALPATINE WAS IN LOVE WITH ANAKIN then Id have no problem. In fact all of your arguements would be interesting if not valid. Id actually partake in discussing the possibilty.
BUT THATS NOT THE TITLE
Instead it asks WAS PALPATINE IN LOVE WITH ANAKIN. No he was not. Your trying to justify something that is just not true. Lucas did not depict this. This is why you guys are met with so much adversity. Its like saying Dooku is Anakins father. Sure its interesting but its just not true. The same applies for the title of this post: ITS INTERESTING BUT WE ALL KNOW IT HAS NO TRUTH! If you had asked what if youd recieve humble resonses and feedback. But you didnt, your implications were absolute. Nobodies worried really worried about these charachters sexualities; there just concerned when certain individuals go on and on about something so blatantly unfounded.
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UPwind-ooooh
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I stand with all those who declare that Palpatine was NOT in love with Anakin. But I must temper my comment with consideration due to what love is exactly is to the Sith.
Someone mentioned 'lust' versus love -- that is IMO more accurate. The Sith 'lust' for power. Why not 'lust' for the one who would bring "unlimited power?"
But that 'lust' that Palpatine feels for Anakin need not necessarily be sexual in nature. Palaptine cares for Anakin, but from what we see on screen he seems to get his kicks on his own, if you get my drift! Only Palps is good enough for Palps.
What is love? Possible definitions:
- sexual attraction
- psychological attraction
- emotional attraction (arguably the same as psychological attraction)
- a term of endearment
I can buy 'psychological' and 'emotional' attachments between Palps and Ani with regards to Palaptine 'loving' Anakin. Definitely NOT sexual in nature!
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farrellg
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i still find it sort of funny that people can get so worked up about the supposed purity of the GFFA characters. or the purity of george's vision. there is loads upon loads of loss of innocence going on ROTS alone so you'd think palps turning out to be gay is no big deal. but hey! murdering is fine and can be discussed, sexuality is a no-no.
I don't think its an issue of morality. I think people are trying to avoid reading into things too much and seeing things that aren't there.
We have no way of knowing for sure what the Emperor's sexuality is because the films don't show him in any romantic relationships. However, I'm certain that the Emperor doesn't feel love towards Anakin or anyone else because he's too evil.
Is the Emperor sexually attracted to Anakin? The movie never gives any clear indication of his. While we might not be able to disprove the theory, we certainly can't prove it. There's no more evidence that the Emperor lusts after Anakin than Obi-Wan lusts after Padme (or any other characters having feelings for each other that aren't shown onscreen). For this reason, I wouldn't talk about the Emperor having feelings for Anakin in an objective discussion. Its purely speculation and doesn't have any definite facts to back it up.
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