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Darth_Aramis
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1/10/06 2:28am
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The dicussion is very amusing considering that we all had our own speculation as to how the duel ended. It is just impossible not to play it out in your mind before you see the actual film for the first time. I knew that Obi-Wan had severed Anakin's legs, but in my own speculation, I had an image of Anakin's legs being cut off while both were on the lava surfers, Anakin instantly dropping to what was his knees, and consumed in a lava wave as it spewed up from the river and engulfed his body. I had almost expected to see it that way in the film, only because it was the first image of that scene that came to my mind. I love the way the scene was done. It was so disturbing to watch for the first time. I wasn't prepared to see Anakin struggling, with only one limb left, to pull himself up a gravel bank, only to keep sliding further done each time he tried to pull himself up. It was sick. But I loved it, because it made me feel so much emotion.
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darth_frared
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Thulium posted:
What's the problem? Anakin did fall into lava. When first struck down, he fell along the shore, but because he was unable to climb out, he slid into the lava and caught fire. Based on Anakin's scars at the end of RotJ, I had expected him to get a lightsaber cut on his head, but I wouldn't say I was disappointed that it didn't turn out that way.
he has the scar on his head in ROTS alright, though.
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BothofUs
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1/10/06 3:27am
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It would have been cool he slid into the lava only up to his knees, but GL needed time for some dialogue before the screams of agony, so I couldn't have it any other way!
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Dj_Stevie_C
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1/10/06 3:42am
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What we missed from Return of the Jedi:
Obi: "and he fell into a molten pit."
Luke: "He fell into lava?"
Obi: "NO not into lava, he was at the side of Lava."
Luke: "So he didn't fall into lava?"
Obi: "No, on the shore of a lava river, he caught fire and burned right in front of me."
Luke: "So... why didn't you save him?"
Obi: "Um, well he said he hated me..."
Luke: "And for that you let him burn???"
Obi: "Erm, well, he did some other nasty things too"
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darth_krumbum
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1/10/06 10:34am
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it wouldn't make sense for him to fall into the lava. if anyone, force or not, was to fall into a pool of lava, they would die instantly. more than likely their lungs would be charred by the super-heated air around it, and all tissues would more or less melt down to the molecular level. the way it was done was the only pluasible way for him to recieve such disfigurment.
as for gollum, the lack of expression is quite in line with what would actually happen. in essence he was dead the moment he hit the bottom of mt. doom. the slow sinking was done for dramatic effect and further's the idea that no one would wish harm on the ring. he tried to keep it out as long as possible, and i always took that look on his face to be one of incredible pain and the fulfillment of his every wish for the last hundred or so years. one last look at the only thing he loved, even though it had horribly corrupted him.
in film, both those scenese work fine for me.
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Tyranus_the_Hutt
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A: It’s about Ben and Luke’s father and Vader when they are young Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke’s father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in 'Star Wars,' and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That’s why he has to wear a suit with a mask, because it’s a breathing mask. It’s like a walking iron lung.
- George Lucas in conversation with Paul Scanlon, in a Rolling Stone article entitled "The Force Behind George Lucas," from August 25, 1977
Oh, no – he’s a liar! 
In all seriousness, it is not as though it’s uncommon for people to change their minds when it comes to determining the specifics of something, in this case a particular scene from a film, especially through the passage of time.
To respond to the question being posed in this thread, I quite appreciate the manner in which Anakin’s 'demise' was negotiated by Lucas in the picture; he made the scene gruesome enough to get the point across, and yet not so overwhelmingly graphic that it would been completely repellent (i.e. the 'fire-extinguisher' sequence at the beginning of Noe’s "Irreversible") or inappropriate given the greater context and tone of the material. Anakin’s immolation completes the tragic arc of his character’s descent into repugnance; additionally, it serves as an extension of the pervasive satanic allusions that are woven into the picture’s narrative. Initially, we have the entreaty between Palpatine (Mephistopheles) and Anakin (Faust) in which the latter figure essentially trades away his soul for the prospect of metaphysical alchemy being offered by the duplicitous Chancellor. Shortly thereafter, Anakin is dispatched to the Mustafar system to slaughter the Separatist leaders; Mustafar is a crimson, volcanic environment enveloped in dark, Stygian imagery that is more or less consistent with the thematic concerns that underlie the picture’s primary narrative issues. The piercing finality which emanates from the image of Anakin lying atop the sand bank, his body gradually becoming engulfed by flames, becomes an almost Dantean passage; we see the corporeal matter being eroded from Skywalker’s being, as the fallen Jedi is consumed by his own hatred and evil. I am not convinced that Lucas would have been able to achieve this same effect had he decided to show Anakin actually falling into, say, a volcano. The fact that Anakin’s body would inevitably submerge beneath the lava would make it difficult to: a) show the gradual evisceration of his skin in a manner that would fall within the parameters of a PG-13 rating; and b) portray the incident in question while having us believe that a person would be able to withstand that level of trauma and stay alive long enough to be rescued.
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yoshifett
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^^^ 
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brook_33
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1/10/06 8:12pm
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"I didn't kill him, the lava and the fall did."
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brook_33
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I remember someone speculated that Anakin might fall into the lake of lava, but catch hold of a cliff or something and only his lower half would be in the lava and burn off. Would that have worked?
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Darth_Zoo
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1/10/06 8:20pm
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I always thought he'd just fall into lava and not just be laying on a bank of gravel. But it would be wildly unrealistic for him to fall in lava and swim to safety???!!!???
So the way Lucas did it was good. It was also more graphic than him just falling into lava I think. Seeing a human burst into flames screaming is pretty bad.
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Sojourn
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1/10/06 11:23pm
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I remember, all those years ago, when I first experienced Star Wars, finding out that the reason Darth Vader was wearing his suit was because he had been so badly injured during a fight with Obi-Wan Kenobi. I too remember envisioning it as Anakin falling into a sea of lava -- Obi-Wan and Anakin lightsaber-battling and their fight moved to the edge of a cliff. Obi-Wan then forced Anakin over, and he fell into the lava.
While this was my own envisioning of the scene, I'm pretty sure that I read about it in one of the original "Illustrated Scrapbook"s, I think they were called. I'll try and find it -- does anyone else have them handy (there was one released for the Rebels (blue cover), one for the Empire (red cover), and one for the entire trilogy (there was only one trilogy at the time  ). I think it was in the trilogy one, but I'm not positive.)?
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AnakinBrego
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1/11/06 12:16am
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If you fall into lava you die, end of story!
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Sojourn
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Oh, I know. I meant to add that I often wondered exactly how it was going to shown in a way that was plausible. But that's how my fifth grade mind envisioned it, nonetheless.
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Sojourn
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anidanami124
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1/11/06 10:05am
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No not really becasue if he fell all the way in he would be dead. But if you want to look at it this way he did kind of fall into lava. I mean after Obi-wan cut his legs off and arms he fell back down the hill near the lava. Again though that's all if you want to look at it that way.
I like how they did it. It makes more sense that his legs and arms were cut off then having the lava take them off.
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Greedo_forever
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Yeah, it DOES make more sense the way it was done in the end.
Even there it was a bit of a stretch (why did the flames extinguish on their own?).
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