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Jokerisdaking
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1/7/06 3:19pm
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In the commentary of ROTS GL say that once Padme learned what Anakin had done that even though she loved him she would never be able to live with him, yet on Mustafar, even though she is aware of his crimes, she asks if they could still just leave togethor and find some place to live totgethor in peace. Thoughts on this? I hate it when GL contradicts himself.
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RKMeibalane
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Jokerisdaking posted:
In the commentary of ROTS GL say that once Padme learned what Anakin had done that even though she loved him she would never be able to live with him, yet on Mustafar, even though she is aware of his crimes, she asks if they could still just leave togethor and find some place to live totgethor in peace. Thoughts on this? I hate it when GL contradicts himself.
I don't think he was contradicting himself at all. I think what he was saying is that Padme was prepared to live without Anakin because of what he had done, but because she still loved him, she was willing to try to reach out to him one last time. Even looking beyond that, it's easy to say that you can turn your back on someone you love, only to find that actually doing it is something else entirely.
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darth_frared
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i don't really see a contradiction either. it's what happens to a lot of people when they find out about crimes of their loved ones... they are horrified but at the same time it's still the person they are loving. it's an interesting dilemma.
and it's well-solved in the padme character IMO.
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Padme was smart as a fox, IMO. Kinda like the police detective trying to talk down the guy standing on the ledge of the 40th floor . . . . tell him what he wants to hear, then deal with the reality of the situation later.
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That's a good theory.
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Padme was smart as a fox, IMO. Kinda like the police detective trying to talk down the guy standing on the ledge of the 40th floor . . . . tell him what he wants to hear, then deal with the reality of the situation later.
Yeah, thats more like what I was thinking. Tell him what he wants to hear now, then dump him later. Maybe Anakin felt that too, and sensed she was lying, hence another reason for the choke.
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darth_frared
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i don't think she was lying. she was still trying to reach out to him - unlike obi-wan. she was sincere with her effort, hence the shock when he came out with his plan for world domination. hence saying 'you're breaking my heart'. why would she make all that up?
the only thing i find strange is when she says, obi-wan wants to help you. that's technically not true, is it?
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JMN77
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darth_frared posted:
the only thing i find strange is when she says, obi-wan wants to help you. that's technically not true, is it?
Yeah, isn't that why she's really rushing to get Anakin to leave as well??
OBI'S COMING TO KILL HIM.... I've never understood why she says he wants to help.
Help do what? Help relieve Anakin of his limbs, hair, lungs and flesh?
It's confirmed even more (that she knows Obi will kill Ani) when he
appears, she becomes extremely terrified.
So yeah that statement is really out of left field.
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darth_frared
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Help do what? Help relieve Anakin of his limbs, hair, lungs and flesh?
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RebelScum77
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Obi-Wan was prepared to go and kill Anakin, but he also clearly DOES care about him. That was still obvious in Padme's apartment. He does try and talk to him before ever picking up a saber. I think if Anakin did listen to Padme, that Obi-Wan would indeed have tried to help him. If a fight could have been avoided, Obi-Wan would have taken the out. The Jedi do not kill out of vengenance or retribution.
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darth_frared
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you honestly think, given the circumstances, that obi-wan would have said, right, kid, sorry to see you in that state, i'm sure you didn't mean to have the entire jedi order run into your sabre... why don't we go home together... kind of scenario?
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darth_frared posted:
you honestly think, given the circumstances, that obi-wan would have said, right, kid, sorry to see you in that state, i'm sure you didn't mean to have the entire jedi order run into your sabre... why don't we go home together... kind of scenario?
Of course not. It's not that simple. But if on Mustafar Anakin suddenly had a moment of realization and put down his saber, I don't think Obi-Wan would turn his back on him. Who knows what would happen after that, but I have a very hard time believing that Obi-Wan, Padme or Yoda would wash their hands of the Chosen One. The Clone Wars EU, if you subscribe to it, is filled with examples of forgiveness. Yoda tells Dooku that he and the Light side will always welcome him back, despite everything he's done, including engineering a war that killed far more people than Anakin did. Obi-Wan feels conflict in Asajj Ventress and does not stop believing she can come back to the Light, even when she appears to have no good in her. That is the Jedi way. It can never excuse or make up for all the people they've killed, but they can still come back and become a good person once more.
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Obi-wan might've tried something else. He wouldn't exactly forgive Anakin, but he wouldn't be bound to killing him right then and there. He would at the very least seek his help in taking care of Palpatine. After that, Anakin would either be let go or submit himself to the courts.
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Jokerisdaking
In the commentary of ROTS GL say that once Padme learned what Anakin had done that even though she loved him she would never be able to live with him, yet on Mustafar, even though she is aware of his crimes, she asks if they could still just leave togethor and find some place to live totgethor in peace. Thoughts on this? I hate it when GL contradicts himself.
GL realizes this, but padme won't immediately realize the same thing. She *always* gives Anakin the benefit of the doubt in RotS. Only when she confronts Anakin and sees that he *is* a sith, does she start to back away from Anakin. There is no contradiction at all. She would never leave Anakin purely on rumour.
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Obi-wan might've tried something else. He wouldn't exactly forgive Anakin, but he wouldn't be bound to killing him right then and there. He would at the very least seek his help in taking care of Palpatine. After that, Anakin would either be let go or submit himself to the courts.
I can't speak to the naivete of Obi Wan,
but if I learned that my apprentice
had been living a lie to me for
God knows how long in addition
to the fact that his hands were
still red with blood of the Jedi younglings,
I don't think I could just trust him.
Further, I don't understand how people
say that Anakin was right to kill Dooku,
Mace and Yoda were right to attempt to kill Sidious,
but it wasn't right for Obi Wan to kill Anakin?
Are you serious? Palpatine at least held to his ideals.
Anakin turned his back on everything...
And what does he do to redeem himself 23 years later?
He turns his back on everything again.
He had it coming.
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DroidGeneral
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Jokerisdaking posted:
In the commentary of ROTS GL say that once Padme learned what Anakin had done that even though she loved him she would never be able to live with him, yet on Mustafar, even though she is aware of his crimes, she asks if they could still just leave togethor and find some place to live totgethor in peace. Thoughts on this? I hate it when GL contradicts himself.
I guess it goes back to the theme "love conquers all". A theme previlant to Star Wars.
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