TheCRZA posted:Are you serious? Palpatine at least held to his ideals. Anakin turned his back on everything... And what does he do to redeem himself 23 years later? He turns his back on everything again. He had it coming.
Jokerisdaking posted:In the commentary of ROTS GL say that once Padme learned what Anakin had done that even though she loved him she would never be able to live with him, yet on Mustafar, even though she is aware of his crimes, she asks if they could still just leave togethor and find some place to live totgethor in peace. Thoughts on this? I hate it when GL contradicts himself.
TheCRZA posted:I can't speak to the naivete of Obi Wan, but if I learned that my apprentice had been living a lie to me for God knows how long in addition to the fact that his hands were still red with blood of the Jedi younglings, I don't think I could just trust him.
rebelscum posted:Of course not. It's not that simple. But if on Mustafar Anakin suddenly had a moment of realization and put down his saber, I don't think Obi-Wan would turn his back on him. Who knows what would happen after that, but I have a very hard time believing that Obi-Wan, Padme or Yoda would wash their hands of the Chosen One. The Clone Wars EU, if you subscribe to it, is filled with examples of forgiveness. Yoda tells Dooku that he and the Light side will always welcome him back, despite everything he's done, including engineering a war that killed far more people than Anakin did. Obi-Wan feels conflict in Asajj Ventress and does not stop believing she can come back to the Light, even when she appears to have no good in her. That is the Jedi way. It can never excuse or make up for all the people they've killed, but they can still come back and become a good person once more.
sinister posted:Padme cannot accept the notion that Anakin might have become a monster. So she goes to Mustafar for the sake of her family, to see if he has changed. She knows that Obi-wan isn't going to help him, but if she can get Anakin to stop, then maybe he could consider it. She's too attached to Anakin. And when she sees that he has changed, she wants nothing more to do with him.
darth_frared posted:it's nice you took the time with this, sinister, but from what i see in the films, no jedi is brought back to light.
darth_frared posted:again, obi-wan might love him to a tee and all, it has nothing to do with the indoctrination as presented in the films: destroy the sith we must. no negotiating, no nothing, we fight until they or we are dead. i don't see any jedi ever properly attempting to bring someone back or even just mention it. i think your point about obi-wan and how much he loved is among the longest debated in this forum. so.. i don't think you can claim any authority over what obi-wan feels.
darth_frared posted:i don't think i debated that. i just discussed if obi-wan, in his right mind, would seriously consider turning anakin back. and i don't see how he, in his right mind, would. it would fly in the face of his hurt feelings and his integrity and much else he has to say, alright boy, you messed up but there's no reason i shouldn't trust you again. it'd make no sense. in that scene. in that situation. on mustafar.
Get_in_Gear posted:Obi: "Don't do it!" Don't make me kill you. That is the only reading of that line that makes any sense to me... If Anakin had not have jumped, he would not have lost his limbs. But he was always going to jump wasn't he - that's the key. "Always on the move." So it doesn't really hinge on whether a Jedi has ever felt a Jedi can be saved from the Dark Side, for me, it hinges on whether a Sith would ever, in himself, be big enough to come back. And Anakin does, ultimately, come back. So anyone who believes and hopes he can, is right.
darth_frared posted:well, you say it's all in anakin's hands and all i say is, it's in obi-wan's hands, too. and the way he pleads is guaranteed to make anakin jump. that is, however, just my opinion.
