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darth_frared
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Date Posted:
1/14/06 1:42am
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RE: George Lucas dialogue dilemma.
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anakin_luver posted:
darth_frared posted:
i don't think she was lying. she was still trying to reach out to him - unlike obi-wan. she was sincere with her effort, hence the shock when he came out with his plan for world domination. hence saying 'you're breaking my heart'. why would she make all that up?
the only thing i find strange is when she says, obi-wan wants to help you. that's technically not true, is it?
Padme knows that Obi-Wan will do what he must to save the Republic, but she also knows that if Anakin stops what he is doing right now, then Obi-Wan will help him. So in a way, she is telling the truth, but she is also trying to convince Anakin to do the right thing. Come back, and saying that his friend/mentor is still on his side is a good move. Too bad it didn't work.
I don't believe Padme was lying in the scene at all. She knows what he has done is horirble, but if he's willing to stop now she is willing to have him. She loves him uncontrollably, and if there's any hope he can be the same Anakin she fell in love with, then she's going to hold on to that hope.
i don't thinkshe was lying either. i was just saying, did she honestly believe obi-wan wanted to help?
and the other thing: would obi-wan have taken him back? i don't think so. none of his actions say that to me.
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darth-sinister
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Date Posted:
1/14/06 11:50am
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Padme might be able to get Obi-wan to change his mind. Besides, if she said that he's coming to kill him, Anakin's gonna go after him to pick a fight first. And Obi-wan still believes in the prophecy. So if Anakin were to come back, he would take him back on that provision. As well as turning himself over to the courts.
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BothofUs
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1/14/06 11:53am
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I'd just like to butt in and point out that Anakin never admits to killing younglings.
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darth-sinister
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1/14/06 11:56am
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Yeah, but Anakin's attitude confirms that he has gone to the Dark Side and joined the Sith. Thus confirming what Obi-wan told her. She realizes and knows deep in her heart that Obi-wan would never lie. She's known him and the other Jedi long enough to know that they'd never make a grab for power. She just had to see it for herself.
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anakin_luver
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1/14/06 1:13pm
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darth_frared posted:
i don't thinkshe was lying either. i was just saying, did she honestly believe obi-wan wanted to help?
and the other thing: would obi-wan have taken him back? i don't think so. none of his actions say that to me.
But his actions *do* show that he will take Anakin back. He talks to Anakin for about 10 minutes before understanding the fact that Anakin isn't going to back down. He tries once again near the end of the fight to talk to him, but that fails. You also see the desperation in his voice and face when he realizes Yoda wants him to kill Anakin. He doesn't want to do it even though he saw with his own eyes Anakin fighting the Younglings. He even makes a last pathetic attempt to not fight his friend. He tells Yoda he doesn't know where to look. Obi-Wan, like Padme, is grasping for any last hope that Anakin will turn back.
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darth_frared
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1/14/06 1:35pm
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anakin_luver posted:
But his actions *do* show that he will take Anakin back. He talks to Anakin for about 10 minutes before understanding the fact that Anakin isn't going to back down. He tries once again near the end of the fight to talk to him, but that fails. You also see the desperation in his voice and face when he realizes Yoda wants him to kill Anakin. He doesn't want to do it even though he saw with his own eyes Anakin fighting the Younglings. He even makes a last pathetic attempt to not fight his friend. He tells Yoda he doesn't know where to look. Obi-Wan, like Padme, is grasping for any last hope that Anakin will turn back.
i think in his own way he is testing the waters. it just doesn't measure up to my standards of reaching out, i suppose.
BothofUs posted:
I'd just like to butt in and point out that Anakin never admits to killing younglings.
great point!  i was worrying no one would bring it up! and we don't *see* him do it either! this will enter the mace windu isn't dead debate territory!
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anakin_luver
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1/14/06 3:22pm
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No, we don't *see* Anakin actually cut his lightsaber through one of the kids, but we see him "fighting" two of them, and we see another one actually falling to the floor. Not to mention the fact that all the Younglings are dead...and they were killed by a *lightsaber*
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darth_frared
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1/15/06 1:52am
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yeah, it's on the holograph. it's just funny and i will not debate it here because it's just going off on a silly tangent. i deduce he kills the little kids. of course i do, but i don't *see* it.
just like i deduce it's his kids in padme's womb although i never have proof. 
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anakin_luver
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1/15/06 10:57am
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Ahaha...Yes I see what you mean. 
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