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IBDR Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 1/8/06 9:13pm Subject: Bad Choice
	I guess my mind is on "What ifs", but it would have been more intelligent to handle Palpatine with both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. Anakin without any sort've head to his operation would not be a challenge for anyone. Obi-Wan actually defeated Anakin because of his arrogance, and stood up to him throughout the battle even with Anakin's anger fueling every strike. Obi-Wan at that point was stronger than Anakin and even handled Darth Vader in EPIV. Palpatine would have been the smartest target to point their two sabers at. Palpatine was the head of all the trouble. Handling him would have left no more problems down the Jedi's path.
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DUGGY Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/8/06 9:24pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	Yoda didn't know how powerful Palpatine was. why else would he go struttin into Palps office like that. when Palps gives him a Blast of Lightning he soon gets it. Yoda went to Palpatine because ObiWan was not powerful enough to take on the Emperor.But Yoda thought he would be able to handle Palpatine like he did with Dooku. wrong. so Yoda sent Obi to take care of Anakin. if Yoda knew what he wasreally up against i'm sure they would have done it together.they were attempting to stop the Sith in one stroke. it's just another Jedi mistake. another example of Jedi overconfidence . they just keep underestimating the Sith. -----signature----- http://outerrimsieges.com/
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IBDR Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 1/8/06 9:35pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	DUGGY posted: Yoda didn't know how powerful Palpatine was. why else would he go struttin into Palps office like that. when Palps gives him a Blast of Lightning he soon gets it. Yoda went to Palpatine because ObiWan was not powerful enough to take on the Emperor.But Yoda thought he would be able to handle Palpatine like he did with Dooku. wrong. so Yoda sent Obi to take care of Anakin. if Yoda knew what he wasreally up against i'm sure they would have done it together.they were attempting to stop the Sith in one stroke. it's just another Jedi mistake. another example of Jedi overconfidence . they just keep underestimating the Sith. I don't think people give Yoda enough credit because at the conclusion of the battle he looses. In fact he would have to know. The blast was very little. It was definately clear tht at that point Palpatine didn't believe Yoda was a big enough threat, because if so he would have simply destroyed him when he caught him off-guard off back. Yoda got up from that blast with ease. However you are right that it was a mistake. The mistake however wasn't arrogance. It was just a move that wasn't very intelligent. Palpatine was clearly the master, and to expect that he would be weaker than or even equal to Count Dooku who had been defeated easily by an older Anakin left Palpatine to be a very big challenge. I dont think there was much over-confidence in it. Of course there was some, but I just feel that Yoda and Obi-Wan didn't put the cards out and really read how strong either of their foes would be. If they did, they would have realize that Mace Windu had fallen to Palpatine, as well as many other Jedi to his apprentice who had grown drastically with sheer anger. Just a bad choice.
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JediCouncilMaster Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/8/06 9:36pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	DUGGY has a point and he totally explained how it all played out. Jedi overconfidence, that's all. -----signature----- "Traditor carved out his heart, never to let love kill him...his evil kept him alive." - Shaman iTunes - How To Save A Life (The Fray) - POTC The Kraken (Hans Zimmer) "Life is cruel! Why should the afterlife be any different?!" - Davy Jones doomgiver007
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/8/06 11:56pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	Palpatine could handle the two of them, even eliminating Obi-wan early leaving Yoda by himself. Only Yoda and Mace can fight Palpatine for as long as they had. No other Jedi could do it, except for Anakin. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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JediNdaCity Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 12:58am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	It also is a nice little tie-in with the end of the TPM in how Yoda puts it to Obi Wan and basically tells him, "Look, boy, I told you not to train this monster, but you had to have your way. Now you brought him into our world, you go take him out!" -----signature----- "Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I'll do what I must."
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voodoopuuduu Title: Classic Trilogy Trivia Host Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 1/9/06 7:36am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	It also is a nice little tie-in with the end of the TPM in how Yoda puts it to Obi Wan and basically tells him, "Look, boy, I told you not to train this monster, but you had to have your way. Now you brought him into our world, you go take him out!" Heh, so youre saying Yoda should have gave Obi-Wan a big "I told you so" speech. Maybe throw that back in Obi-Wan face in ESB when Yoda didnt want to train Luke. Actually a better plan may have been to have Yoda and Obi-Wan go to face Anakin and turn him back. Then all 3 could have faced Palps. -----signature----- Winner CT Trivia Challenge 44, 54 Winner PT Trivia Challenge 10 , 13, 14, 17 Joint-Winner CT Challenge 49 and 50, PT Challange 18
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JediNdaCity Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 8:50am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	I think in his Yoda kind of way, he did give him an "I told you so speech". That's how Yoda is, he will never just tell you exactly how he feels, but you could imagine how pissed he must've been with Obi Wan, he just isn't the type to spill it out. He's one of those, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." types. Watch his dialogue throughout ROTS, he's very careful with his words, very thoughtful. Which makes the scene when he's talking to Anakin even more ironic because he was being as careful with his words as he could be and Anakin still took it as being cold and heartless. In ESB, he shows he's still pissed with Obi Wan by how he acts with Luke by not wanting to train him, but he never says it outright. He says it in his Yoda kind of way. -----signature----- "Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I'll do what I must."
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egolden23 Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 10:42am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	I think some of these interpretations could not be further off the mark. First off, Obi Wan did not have to have his way, by training Anakin, true he said he would train him with or without permission, but he HAD permission from the council. Yoda, however did not agree, but he was only one of 12 council members. Obviously, a majority agreed. Second where does anyone get the interpretation that Yoda is , "still pissed" with Obi Wan in ESB? His reluctance to train Luke was a test for Luke, to show that Luke still had much to learn and was not as ready as he thought he was. Not because he held a grudge against Obi Wan. Did you not see the last 10 minutes of Ep III where they decided that the children must be kept safe "until the time is right" Yoda was making sure Luke was ready in ESB, not "pissed" at Obi-Wan What movies did some of you people watch to come up with this? Oh wait, probably the same people who think that: Mace is Syfo-Dias Palpatine and Sidious are 2 different people Anakin would have a multi-colored saber in ep III Christ Almighty!!!!!
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DUGGY Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 10:46am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	all i know is that my post is spot on -----signature----- http://outerrimsieges.com/
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JMN77 Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 10:53am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	DUGGY posted: all i know is that my post is spot on Agree's with DUGGY's agreeance with himself. -----signature----- http://boards.outerrimsieges.com/ Release the Kracken..... GET THE SACRIFICE ON!
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darth-sinister Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 1/9/06 11:32am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	Yoda was never too keen on the idea of training Anakin. Since everyone ignored what they felt from him in the beginning, is it no wonder there is almost a hint of "I told you so". But I don't really think it's that. I think it's more of "He's your responsibility, deal with him." And in TESB, Yoda isn't fond of training Luke. This is no more evident than when he actually gives his "I told you so" with "Told you, I did. Reckless is he. Now, matters are worse." speech. -----signature----- Stewie: "Oh, this is an even bigger jackpot than when the Emperor came up with the formula for great Star Wars dialouge." Palpatine: "Something, something, something. Dark side. Something, something, something complete."
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farrellg Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 11:37am Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	Palpatine could handle the two of them, even eliminating Obi-wan early leaving Yoda by himself. Exactly. Obi-Wan is easily knocked out by Dooku during a two one one fight. The Emperor could defeat Kenobi even more easily. -----signature----- Non so d'onde viene quel tenero affetto. http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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egolden23 Registered: Nov '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 12:56pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	Yes, Duggy yours is right on, but other posts make me think people need to watch the entire series again before posting.
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JediMasterGaraceDane Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/9/06 5:41pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	I have to say these posts do surprise me but the more I look at the other posts it doesn't surprise me to much. I personally think after seeing the movie again last nite. I think that Palpatine and Yoda both underestimated each others power. Palpatine laid it to Yoda with a powerful force lightening blast. But as Yoda who was shocked(literally) slowly got up and gave Plapatine a little nice FORCE PUSH and Palps flew a little like Mace Windu did. Then later in the battle Yoda got a little overconfident after apparently making Sids lose his lightsaber, Sids used the force to control the Senate Platforms and threw them at Yoda which was surprising to Yoda. Yoda then surprised Sids by throwing back one of the platforms and then coming up with a swift lightsaber strike. But the Jedi arragance appears again, and Palps again surprises Yoda with force lightening. but the Sith is also arragant and is surprised by Yoda's blocking of the lightening. Thus an explosion occurs and leaves Yoda looking like the loser. But in fact he could have won as he was starting to gain the upperhand before the explosion. So I think Obi-Wan would have just gotten in the way if they both went after Sids. I mean he was lucky to take out Maul in TPM. Obi then dueled nicely in AOTC but lost to Dooku/Tyranus. Obi-Wan only won over Anakin because he taught Anakin everything thus knew basically his every move. Thus he would have gotten wasted by Palpatine in his battle with Yoda and Yoda would have to worry about him as well. So....in all it wasnt a mistake to have Obi-Wan go with Yoda to Palps office. Both Sids and Yoda underestimated each others powers. Im not ripping on Obi-Wan because hes a very good jedi just that the way he was acted out by GL in the screenplay shows that Obi Wan couldnt take out a Sith. -----signature----- "A padawan's tie to his Master should never be broken in a time of WAR."-Jedi Knight Garace Ryn. http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=22902108&brd=10475&replies=0 -Sith Wars Series: A Hero's Legend Ends Padawan to Darth Ishtar
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anidanami124 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 1/9/06 6:10pm Subject: RE: Bad Choice
	IBDR posted: I guess my mind is on "What ifs", but it would have been more intelligent to handle Palpatine with both Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda. Anakin without any sort've head to his operation would not be a challenge for anyone. Obi-Wan actually defeated Anakin because of his arrogance, and stood up to him throughout the battle even with Anakin's anger fueling every strike. Obi-Wan at that point was stronger than Anakin and even handled Darth Vader in EPIV. Palpatine would have been the smartest target to point their two sabers at. Palpatine was the head of all the trouble. Handling him would have left no more problems down the Jedi's path. The thing there is Palpatine is far more powerful then Obi-wan and would have got taken out of the battle a lot faster. Yoda lasted a long while against Palpatine becasue he was near of at the same power as Palpatine. In the end the only way to keep ever one alive was to do it the way they did it. Sure Palpatine was still alive and Anakin/Vader lived. But so did Obi-wan and Yoda. -----signature----- Dark Lords of the JCC My Heros of Music Epica 1. Simone Simons 2. Mark Jansen 3. Yves Huts 4. Coen Janssen 5. Ad Sluijter 6. Jeroen Simons 1)ROTS 2)TESB 3)TPM 4)AOTC 5)ANH 6)ROTJ
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