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s0Lstar18
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1/10/06 7:36am
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Sidious would've put Vader in his proper place had Vader not fallen into the lava on Mustafar. posted:
I don't think so being that Anakin would've kept getting stronger and stronger 2x as powerful as the Emperor????do you know how much power that is ,he wouldv'e only gained more power in the Darkside after killing Obi Wan.
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vadersmyfather
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Anakin has to learn it from Palpatine as his student
Not to be picky, but he wasn't going to learn it from Palps and Palps never promised this.
Hence why on Mustafar Anakin tells Padme he will kill Palps.
Palps said that through the darkside they could discover the secret...together.
He never actually said he would tell Anakin.
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yoshifett
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Believe it or not, in an early draft of ROTJ there was a scene where Palpatine puts Vader in his place with a force choke.
97. INT. THRONE ROOM - HAD ABBADON
Vader storms into the throne room and marches right up to where the Emperor is sitting. The Emperor slowly raises his head to stare at the Dark Lord.
VADER
Where is he?
EMPEROR
Safe…There is no need for you to worry. I will take good care of him…
VADER
It is for me to train my son…you must…
The Emperor raises his hand, and Vader's breathing suddenly stops. The Dark Lord struggles at his controls, attempting to regain his air supply. He chokes.
EMPEROR
You forget yourself…Lord Vader. I will tolerate no more discussion on the subject. The boy is mine to train. Your place is with the fleet.
Vader collapses on the floor and the Emperor lowers his hand. Vader starts breathing again and rises to a kneeling position.
VADER
Forgive me, master.
EMPEROR
The Rebels will soon begin their attack. You must be ready for them. For now that I have all of them in one place, they will be crushed once and for all.
VADER
Yes, my master.
EMPEROR
Now take your leave, for I have your son to attend to.
Vader rises and exits the throne room, and the giant door slides closed behind him.
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darth-sinister
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That needed to be shown, so it would make the statement in ROTJ by Vader validated, "You don't know the power of the darkside, I must obey my master."
Maybe Vader's refering to the Dark Side is his master and not Darth Sidious.
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farrellg
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I think this says more about the audience than the movies. The Emperor doesn't come off as that much more powerful in ROTJ, people were just more easily impressed when ROTJ was released.
In the prequels Sidious being all-knowing was a given. But when we first heard the Emperor say "Perhaps you refer to the imminent arrival of your Rebel fleet" we thought "Whoa!"
I think it would work better if the movie was filmed in such a way that the audience is impressed by the Emperor's powers just as easily as they were in ROTJ.
To all intents and purposes Palpatine looked weak when Anakin entered so he would hardly have been impressed by the dark side.
He killed three Jedi Masters and used force lightning. I would think that's enough to show that the Emperor is powerful. That's another reason why the Emperor should have done something to Anakin or at least put on some display of overwhelming power. A villain who comes off as weak is not a good thing.
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Dezdmona
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It is my understanding that during Vader's "reconstruction" after his failure on Mustafar that no painkiller's were used, upon Sidious' request; thereby essentially "torturing" him so he could experience the full pain of his injuries.
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darth-sinister
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Only as means of keeping the anger and hate going.
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DroidGeneral
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DarthDischarge posted:
Maybe messing him up with lightniong real good for a second to let Anakin know whos boss and not to mess with him but join or die? Even taking his saber from his hand against his will using the darkside? Palpatine showing some awesome power directed at Anakin directly and Anakin feeling the pain of it would of helped explain why he must serve his master and the fact that he had fear of Palpatine he would later need to overcome would of been interesting.
Uh, when someone saves you from the shores of a lava river, I think you'd know your role.
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ChestRockwell
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Well its obvious that Palpatine probobly didnt do anything to Anakin behind the scenes since Anakin was so cocky and confident to the wife about overthrowing him so they could run the galaxy (at least in his small mind..lol)
The fact is that Vader never got to run anything before he died without Palpys approval,
Right after the movie ended there might have been a behind the scenes thing where palps let anakin know that the breathing for the suit was controled by THE CLAPPER... and only palpy could shut it off
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Darth_Zoo
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No, that would have been ridiculous.
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PowerUnlimitedPower
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 Dezdmona posted:
It is my understanding that during Vader's "reconstruction" after his failure on Mustafar that no painkiller's were used, upon Sidious' request; thereby essentially "torturing" him so he could experience the full pain of his injuries.
He should have put him in a Bacta tank ,the Bugger . Palpatine obviously wanted to keep Vader down and weak so he can't become more powerful than him. Bacta would have helped heal his wounds better. but Sid's is sadistic , like all good Sith Lords. so he does the bare minimum just clean him up , slap on some limbs and throw him into a suit. that is how we treat Failure Lord Vader. and Vader passes that logic on to many Imperial officers.
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darth-sinister
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Vader had bacta treaments aboard the Theata Class Shuttle, on the return trip to Courscant. That's what the medical capsule (sp) was. Those were third degree burns and not subject to quick healing. Nor do they have the luxary to leave him immersed (sp) in it. But it did help to stablize him until they arrived home.
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PowerUnlimitedPower
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i'm talkin a Bath here. not a wipe down.
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darth_frared
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vadersmyfather posted:
That needed to be shown, so it would make the statement in ROTJ by Vader validated, "You don't know the power of the darkside, I must obey my master."
The reason for this is more to do with his decision in ROTS than it is fear of the Emporer.
He had made the choice 2 decades before to join the Sith to obey Palpatine. There was no going back and that was even more entrenched in him in OT. Therefore he must obey Palpatine. It was more of a mindset than fear of reprisal..
palps could have destroyed him any day of his sad life. that'S agood enough reason, don't you think? fear of dying?
vader's my father posted:
Knowing that Sidious defeated 4 Jedi Masters singlehandedly was enough to put Anakin in his place because it forced Anakin to realized, "If neither Mace or the Jedi he brought with him can defeat Palpatine, what chance do I have."
To all intents and purposes Palpatine looked weak when Anakin entered so he would hardly have been impressed by the dark side. At that point, it wasn't power in a physical sense or force sense that Anakin wanted. He wanted the one thing he though joining the dark side could offer him--the ability to save Padme.
So you see, it wasn't important or needed that Anakin see the dark side as powerful.
huh? that's the point, isn't it? if he didn't see that as a possibility and if he hadn't witnessed the dark side as actually *being* powerful, why would he turn to palps? it's absolutely necessary that he sees the dark side (mind you, not sid) as powerful.
vader's my father posted:
See where it doesn't make sense, and Lucas needed to show The Emperor putting Anakin in his place in ROTS. Anakin thinks he can overtake the Emperor by himself in ROTS, but he doesn't in ESB. Another problem when comparing both trilogies, and why so many things dont make sense to many fans.
He doesn't in ESB, not because he doesn't want to, but because he alone isn't strong willed enough nor strong enough in the force to be able to defeat Palpatine, mainly due to his 'accident'.
This is why he leaps at the chance when he finds Luke is his son. He now knows he has a chance to get rid of Palpatine as he's always wanted.
It's not a problem, it's been explained by Lucas quite clearly and simply....in striving for everything, he lost everything
true, he feels he isn't strong enough by himself (for whatever reason).
he thinks he can overthrow the emperor in ROTS because he's obviously lost his mind.
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darthvaderv
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CJedi72 posted:
That needed to be shown, so it would make the statement in ROTJ by Vader validated, "You don't know the power of the darkside, I must obey my master."
I was waiting for this in ROTS, and it never happened.
Agreed to some extent I was too. But after ROTS I then knew Vader's words in ROTJ were aimed at the darkside in general. And was Vader also concerened that Palps would tell Luke he killed his Mother, just an after thought.
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