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Luukeskywalker
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1/11/06 5:44pm
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Well, its hard to compare the Oscars to the People's Choice awards. The Oscars are selected by the industry/critic types.
The People's Choice awards are selected by the people.
Both of these two shows are the biggest and most highly thought of awards shows in their respective awards show categories. The Oscars for critical awards, and the People's Choice awards for public voting/popularity awards....
So if you want to gauge which movies are critically the best, then look to the Oscars. If you wanna gauge what was overall favorite movie and the one that the general public enjoyed the most, then look no further than the P.C.A.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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1/11/06 5:51pm
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Just because a movie is popular doesn't mean it's a quality film. Approaching film in terms of popularity is like defining it in terms of fashion. It's great today, but tomorrow it's a laughing stock.
Comments like these are so tiresome and pop up with regularity on the net. No, just because a movie is popular doesn't mean it's quality. But the reverse is also true. Just because it's popular doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Snobbery is so unbecoming.
Let's face it, a lot of people like to feel superior by looking down their noses and mocking anything that's popular with the masses. Guess what? The masses include all kinds of people. They aren't all people who can't recognize a good movie.
Quality is purely subjective, popularity is not. It can be measured in practical terms
like number of tickets sold and number of dollars earned. And in a capital-intensive art form like film, if you want to be a working director, you sure the heck better make sure your movies break even on a reasonably consistent basis or it's gonna be increasingly difficult to get financing to make your next film. No one wants to support a loser.
One of my all-time favorite directors is Stanley Kubrick. He had an uneven commercial track record. Some of his films were big hits that made good money, some of his films were not. But Warner Brothers knew that simply because he was a very famous director, he would always have some ticket sales. One film of his, BARRY LYNDON, a slow moving historical epic with great performances and extraordinarily beautiful visuals was a total disaster in America, earning a measly 11 million dollars. And yet the film did well. Why? Because in Europe, especially Germany, the film was a monster hit and was HUGELY POPULAR THERE. It was the exact same film, but appreciated in a different culture in a completely different way than Americans saw it. So it's different strokes for different folks, regardless of the subjective "quality" of a film. By the way, BARRY LYNDON won 4 Academy Awards, but that didn't do a thing for it's box office. Again, there's no accounting for taste.
Why can't we all just get along? 
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stormcloud8
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1/11/06 5:57pm
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Wow! I'm so happy and totally shocked to hear this! An Oscar would be nice but this is actually a little more interesting to me because I really can't stand everything about the Oscars.
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hawk
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Also Rotten Tomatoes did a comparison between reviews for the prequels and the classic trilogy from the time of their original release, and found the prequels actually ended up being better reviewed.
Only because there are only a handful of available reviews compared to the HUNDREDS available for the PT. Or are we supposed to believe 3 negative reviews of the original Star Wars is a true representation of what the numbers would be if we had a hundred reviews? Things change with greater numbers.
Eli Roth's new film "Hostel" was sitting in the high nineties when there were only 10 reviews available. Now with more reviews, it sits at 60%. So stop pandering us this shaky evidence as though it means something. The less discriminating eye will miss the finer details and might actually believe this hogwash.
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Magical_Maestro
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JWD posted:
One of my all-time favorite directors is Stanley Kubrick.
I assent to this as well. Kubrick was a genius and arguably the greatest director of all-time. I felt his crowning achievement was "A Clockwork Orange" unlike the masses who view "2001: A Space Odyssey" as his best work. Now back on topic.
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Magical_Maestro
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hawk posted:
Also Rotten Tomatoes did a comparison between reviews for the prequels and the classic trilogy from the time of their original release, and found the prequels actually ended up being better reviewed.
Only because there are only a handful of available reviews compared to the HUNDREDS available for the PT. Or are we supposed to believe 3 negative reviews of the original Star Wars is a true representation of what the numbers would be if we had a hundred reviews? Things change with greater numbers.
That's right. Furthermore I guarantee that if you were to go to a mall in anytown USA, or elsewhere across the globe and conducted a 150 person survey (average number of Rotten Tomato reviews) asking people how they rated each film on a scale of 1 to 100, the OT's numbers would totally annihilate the PT's. It wouldn't even be close.
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REVENGE OF THE SITH WON YES 
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JohnWesleyDowney
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ROTS, # 1 movie in America for 2005!
Winner of Best Movie and Best Drama at the People's Choice Awards
Ah, the sweet smell of victory!
And the New York Times Critic said ROTS was better than the original SW.
Go George! 
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DINVADER_RETURNS
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Only because there are only a handful of available reviews compared to the HUNDREDS available for the PT. Or are we supposed to believe 3 negative reviews of the original Star Wars is a true representation of what the numbers would be if we had a hundred reviews? Things change with greater numbers.
Sure they do, but how many people were reviewing movies in the 70s and early 80s compared to today? With the internet we can look at hundreds of reviews. Back then, you might have seen a dozen at most then unless you subscribed to a lot of out of town and out of state newspapers & magazines.
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Darth_Zoo
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RotS also won Yahoo! Movies #1 2005 movie 
I'm sure GL is going to buy a nice glass display to showcase this award at his new studio. It is a great accomplishment, to be the fans #1 movie of the year (in both $$$ and votes).
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Cryogenic
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1/11/06 8:27pm
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Get_in_Gear posted:
"SW fans" is such a curious term.
This is TheForce.Net.
A SW message board.
The biggest unofficial SW message board in the world.
And yet everyone seems to refer to "SW fans" in the third person... as if they were over there, stashed in a box in the corner.
A statistic.
A demographic.
SW fans think this; SW fans think that; this is for the fans; that is for the fans - it's like it's a dirty word or something.
Unless people stumbled here by accident thinking this was TediousFlower-arranging.Net, and decided to stay for the hell of it - we are all SW fans here.
No, really - you must be.
I must be - or I wouldn't be here.
You can try and disassociate yourself from one group or another.
But it is like when people try to blame things on society.
You ARE society.
I hate those kind of crazy arguments.
Person A: "Well... violent movies are bad, because people go and watch them and then they go out and - like - murder people and stuff...."
Me: "And have you ever seen a violent movie?"
Person A: "Yes. It was very violent. It made me feel quite ill."
Me: "And have you ever killed anyone?"
Person A: "No."
Me: "Then stop presuming that 'society' is this special group of easily led, docile, weak-minded, virtuless, soulless, lazy people that magically and conveniently doesn't include you. It does include you!"
Same goes for SW fans.
They are not - "over there", "being fooled" by Lucas and his games.
The are sat staring at YOUR computer with their hands eagerly poised over YOUR keyboard.
They are YOU.
Everyone here should be pretty thrilled for Lucas to have won an award.
I can't think of one good reason anyone who posts here should not be...
Well done, George.
Brilliant. Simply brilliant. And I concur: well done, George!
CJedi72 posted:
My point is every director takes their crap from the critics, and it will be this way forever. I just get tired of hearing that Lucas is the only one who never gets credit. He gets just as much credit as the next director, just as he gets bashed as much as that same director in the same vein. That is just the world of movie reviewers, they just give an opinion, I mean who really cares what a critic says, that doesn't sway me whether I am going to see a movie. I actually like that they hate SW, it keeps them from getting too arrogant about the public, cause we like something they don't understand.
I wish Lucas would just accept these awards now with grace, instead of taking useless shots at critics and studios, just to justify that they are wrong for burying his prequels. Seeing him next to his daughter last night is the reason I always liked Lucas, cause he is one of the few family men in Hollywood who actually puts his kids first above his career. Then he goes into his usual, "This is the reason the critics don't love my movies.....baloney." Just accept with grace George, cause you have earned it, and you have proved that SW fans are the most loyal no matter what the critics say.
Also brilliant.
Although I feel that Lucas has every right to feel annoyance and express it (he *is* living in a democratic country, after all), and even sympathise with him when he does so, I think he would be showing even more dignity and grace by not venting his anger. Yes, the man is human and I'm an enormous fan of his (more and more so with the passage of time), but insofar as it would benefit him personally, I believe he should take a greater slice from Jedi philosophy. Unfortunately, Lucas is no Qui Gon; he's more like Luke - fundamentally decent and gentile, but prone to outbursts given the motive and opportunity.
I also agree, despite being a huge fan and champion of Episodes I and II, that Revenge of the Sith is more focused and gripping than the previous two. It really is the most deserving - and perhaps the only deserving - prequel to garner the award. And garner the award it has! I also agree that the media weren't engaged in a smear campaign against Star Wars - but the media is a fickle beast plagued by a "Mexican Wave" mentality: once the bashing started, everyone else within the media (and external) followed suit. That's not to dismiss any one claim as illegitimate, but as I see it, all claims existed in and were shaped by an increasingly hostile climate where Lucas and the prequels were derided ever more fervently and savagely. Thank goodness this award has been bestowed, and more pertinently, that Lucas has gotten a personal lift from receiving it. It's a true vindication for him. And that's fantastic. Again...
Well done, George!
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And I challenge anyone to explain to me how "Star Wars 3" qualifies as a drama."
Its only a drama by process of elimination of their limited categories. Its not a musical, even though the music is great and its not a comedy, even though there are funny parts. They just dont have a category for action/adventure except for drama.
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1/11/06 9:02pm
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Yay! ROTS deserved it.
The oscars are a laugh. The PT films were not even nominated for Best Costume - Hello! Did you miss Queen Amidala with working lantens in the hem of her throne room dress? Or her 14 costume changers in AOTC?
Morons.
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Darth_Zidious
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Excellent.
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Magical_Maestro posted:
"Always with you what cannot be done." The truth is George will release the O-OT on DVD at some point. He's too greedy not to. Besides, how can you be so confident in anything this man says? Almost everything Star Wars related he's spoken about can be contradicted by an earlier statement. And history will repeat itself once again, and this time it will be for the better.
Lucas has all the money he needs. He can spend the rest of his life making crappy films and be content. He has his nest egg and his children's college funds. Lucas has maintained since 1977, that he was disappointed in ANH and that it was 25% of what he wanted. He is not fond of those versions and in fact has made changes since he first released it. Adding and subtracting things. Barring a few more modifications, he's satisfied with the OT.
Lucas has made the films for fans, but he's done it his way. Not our way.
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