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That_Wascally_Droid
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1/12/06 1:08am
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Why must RotS be continually beaten down by people who want it to lose? 
If you don't want to like it, fine. But somebody out there does.
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hawk
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In my experience, people did like ROTS and I also think it was critically well received. I personally think it is a very flawed film that looks good next to the first two films however, I am willing to concede it is a popular film amongst moviegoers and critics.
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CJedi72
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darth-sinister posted:
Lucas has all the money he needs. He can spend the rest of his life making crappy films and be content. He has his nest egg and his children's college funds. Lucas has maintained since 1977, that he was disappointed in ANH and that it was 25% of what he wanted. He is not fond of those versions and in fact has made changes since he first released it. Adding and subtracting things. Barring a few more modifications, he's satisfied with the OT.
Lucas has made the films for fans, but he's done it his way. Not our way.
Not to get off topic, but I never understood the film was 25% what he wanted. As much as I complain about wanting the originals, he didn't change 75% of the original to the SE. He changed maybe about 10%?
I can still enjoy the SE that came out on DVD, although I do still want the originals, but if he changed 75% of the film, I probably would hate the SE. But I don't know where Lucas gets these numbers. Other than effects changes, and most of them are in the final death star battle, Greedo shooting first, the addition of Jabba, and minor changes to ObiWan house, and the jawa sandcrawler, it isn't THAT different.
I can't believe you Darth Sinister, you made me actually defend the SE for a second! What is it some jedi mind trick?
All in all, I don't think any of us know if Lucas will release them because he does change his mind every 5 years, the only way I could see him releasing them is with the 6 box set of all movies in 2007? And have it like E.T. DVD where you have a seamless branching option for either the SE OT, or O-OT, along with newer versions of the three PT movies . Cause Lucas has to know that many fans didn't like the PT, so they won't buy it for that reason, and if they have the 2004 DVD set, they need some reason to buy it, cause there is a huge older fan base that wants them. As much as people take shots at Lucas, the guy is a smart business man, and I don't think he'll pass up a chance at a huge cash cow for a box set to appease EVERY SW fan.
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jasperjones
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I have to say that, much as I wish that will turn out to be the case, I think GL genuinely considers the originals to be inferior and does not want them to represent his artistic vision at all. That can be the only reason he wouldn't release them in some way, because you are right, he would appease every fan. I think that GL just has some very peculiar notions of what is an improvement sometimes. He must be the only person on the planet to think Greedo shooting first even looks passable.
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CJedi72
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jasperjones posted:
I have to say that, much as I wish that will turn out to be the case, I think GL genuinely considers the originals to be inferior and does not want them to represent his artistic vision at all. That can be the only reason he wouldn't release them in some way, because you are right, he would appease every fan. I think that GL just has some very peculiar notions of what is an improvement sometimes. He must be the only person on the planet to think Greedo shooting first even looks passable.
I agree about his vision and looking at the movies now, but he has to give a reason for older fans who didn't like the PT, and already bought the 2004 DVD boxset like myself a reason to buy a new 6 movie saga set.
No new material, whether it is a new documentary or deleted scenes, those you can find on the internet, is going to make me rush out and buy a new SW DVD set anymore. As much as I want the SE, I am satisfied with the SE, and watch 4,5,6 all the time.
But if he puts the O-OT as part of the saga set with the prequels, he will have my money, and in the same process get me to buy 3 movies that I necessarily dont feel the need to buy again, even if he makes more changes to them like CG Yoda in TPM, only because they are all part of the set. It's not necessarily what the customer wants, or they would be out by now, but what the customer demand for at the time of selling a new product, and that would be the optimal time for Lucas to put it all in one box set, and probably have EVERY Star Wars fan rush out the first day it is out, and probably set records again.
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jasperjones
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Completely agree with you.
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JediRandy
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hawk posted:
Also Rotten Tomatoes did a comparison between reviews for the prequels and the classic trilogy from the time of their original release, and found the prequels actually ended up being better reviewed.
Only because there are only a handful of available reviews compared to the HUNDREDS available for the PT. Or are we supposed to believe 3 negative reviews of the original Star Wars is a true representation of what the numbers would be if we had a hundred reviews? Things change with greater numbers.
Eli Roth's new film "Hostel" was sitting in the high nineties when there were only 10 reviews available. Now with more reviews, it sits at 60%. So stop pandering us this shaky evidence as though it means something. The less discriminating eye will miss the finer details and might actually believe this hogwash.
And how many of the hundreds available for the PT are web sites? Today anyone with a computer and a local movie theater can be a movie reviewer. I don't know about you guys, but I still tend to listen to respectable movie reviews who write for a legit paper as opposed to a 30something wannabe filmmaker with a web site.
You act like during the 70's and 80's people were reading by candlelight and using outhouses. There were plenty of papers and plenty of trade magazines back then.
That lil' study done by Rotten Tomatoes drives some folks nuts and it never fails to make me chuckle.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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It doesn't matter how many people in a mall today say the classic trilogy is better, the point remains the prequels got better reveiws than the classic trilogy when you compare the reveiws made at the time of their initial release.
Sure -now- everyone says the classic trilogy is the greatest, but it took 20 years for that to happen.
Imagine how much more people in a mall will like the prequels in another 20 years going on the massive head start it has over the classic trilogy.
Those of you who want to ignore that the prequels were better reviewed than the classic trilogy was at the time of their releases can feel free to continue doing so, but don't expect the rest of us to.
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CJedi72 posted:
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I wish Lucas would just accept these awards now with grace, instead of taking useless shots at critics and studios, just to justify that they are wrong for burying his prequels. Seeing him next to his daughter last night is the reason I always liked Lucas, cause he is one of the few family men in Hollywood who actually puts his kids first above his career. Then he goes into his usual, "This is the reason the critics don't love my movies.....baloney." Just accept with grace George, cause you have earned it, and you have proved that SW fans are the most loyal no matter what the critics say.
Now give us the O-OT on DVD, you owe us older fans something for supporting you for 28 years!
Ummm... Lucas has been taking useless shots by critics and studios for years. The director of The Core took a shot at ATOC and Lucas trying to build up his movie which by the way sucked and tanked at the BO. I was so glad Lucas finally said something back to these fools for all the crap he has been talking all these years. GO LUCAS!!!!
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CJedi72
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Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
It doesn't matter how many people in a mall today say the classic trilogy is better, the point remains the prequels got better reveiws than the classic trilogy when you compare the reveiws made at the time of their initial release.
Sure -now- everyone says the classic trilogy is the greatest, but it took 20 years for that to happen.
Imagine how much more people in a mall will like the prequels in another 20 years going on the massive head start it has over the classic trilogy.
Those of you who want to ignore that the prequels were better reviewed than the classic trilogy was at the time of their releases can feel free to continue doing so, but don't expect the rest of us to.
I always follow this chart for adjusted inflation for the gross of each movie:
Star Wars 1.1 Billion
ESB 628 Million
ROTJ 601 Million
TPM 542 Million
ROTS 380 Million
AOTC 342 Million
Now, sure the OT were re-released and DVD comes out faster, except for TPM, when it took 1 1/2 years to come to DVD, but the OT still towers over all 3 PT movies after inflation.
Now the original gross shows how much mass appeal that had to the public, and that is why the rest of the 5 movies are made for just SW fans, but one of the PT movies should have beaten ESB & ROTJ, for just the fact that you had a whole new generation of SW fans, plus the older one who though they bitched and moaned about them, they were still there opening weekend.
Who really cares about reviews anyway, the numbers never lie.
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Ekenobi
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Darth_Sanity posted:
I'm soooooo excited, I can't tell you how many times I voted.
"Always with you what cannot be done." The truth is George will release the O-OT on DVD at some point. He's too greedy not to. Besides, how can you be so confident in anything this man says? Almost everything Star Wars related he's spoken about can be contradicted by an earlier statement. And history will repeat itself once again, and this time it will be for the better.
If he is sooo greedy, SW would have been put on DVD the second the format took off.
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Alright, folks.
Let's talk about the People's Choice Award, and not get into the same old argument. Neither side will convince the other, let's move on.
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Ekenobi
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Go-Mer-Tonic posted:
It was great. Lucas talked about how this is the award he cares about, because ultimately he makes his movies for "the people". He added "Critics Schmitics".
Also Rotten Tomatoes did a comparison between reviews for the prequels and the classic trilogy from the time of their original release, and found the prequels actually ended up being better reviewed.
See for yourself: The Prequels were better reveiwed than the classic trilogy.
But the compaisons is not an accurate one. TPM had 141 reviews. ESB had 50 and I think these are from the SE ESB. NOt 80 ESB. So how cna you poissbly compare the two trilogies. I am sure ESB would have got about 80% if it had 141 reviews as well. And vice versa for TPM. I said that before on another thread that 50 reviews compared to 141 reviews is not a good comparision laong with the ESB are from SE ESB no 80 ESB. And it is true these reviewers are ones who saw ESB SW when they were kids. I want to see a comparioson to reviews from 1977, 80, 83. That maybe a fairer comparison because you get a review of when the movie fisrt came out. Not 20 years later.
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Go-Mer-Tonic
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CJedi72 ,
You are comparing the box offices of the prequels to the classic trilogy, which has had several re-releases since it first came out.
Let's see where things are in another 20 years.
Ekenobi,
The way you can compare a different number of reviews is to take their averages.
Just because there weren't as many reviews back in the day doesn't change the fact that the prequels ended up with a higher percentage of praise.
And the people's choice award just bolsters the idea that your average every day person just isn't represented by the critical community.
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CJedi72
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[quote=Go-Mer-Tonic]CJedi72 ,
You are comparing the box offices of the prequels to the classic trilogy, which has had several re-releases since it first came out.
Let's see where things are in another 20 years.
OK, the rerelease of the SE in 1997:
ANH: 138 million
ESB: 67 million
ROTJ: 45 million
Now no SW movie comes close in mass appeal to the original, so we'll throw that number out, but say each prequel grosses what ESB & ROTJ combined at 112 million, ROTS & AOTC are still not even close, only TPM closes close to the OT.
And my 112 million release numbers are being very lenient, figuring that only SW was the only one to break 100 million in 1997. See where I am getting at?
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