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TheDarkSideAreThey
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1/30/06 11:44am
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RE: you're the sith lord
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If the story of Plagueis and the knowledge of manipulating life through the Darkside conversation hadn't taken place, Anakin would have likely attacked Palpatine. Whether he would have succeeded or not is a point of debate.
Palpatine still would have played on Anakin's emotions. Why exactly did Palpatine bother to tell Anakin the story to begin with? He knew what Anaking had seen. He had to. If Palps hadn't told Anakin at the theater, he very well could've told him right before Anakin tried to decapitate him, resulting in the same outcome.
Palpatine is very confident that no one can "strike him down", the way he throws that out there every chance he gets. He would've put Anakin on his butt if he tried to.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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yeah even the debate ewith Ani and Obi will be one that will never be understood, other than the fact that it had to be that way in order for Anakin to become Vader!
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brook_33
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I doubt Anakin would have tried killing him in front of everyone at the theater. He probably would have reported him to Mace or Yoda.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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which is what he did eventually
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Palps
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DARTHJOSEPH posted:
The only reason Anakin saved Palpatine was to learn how to save Padme and even after that he never fully commited to the Dark Side. For example...Anakin isn't exactly happy that he helped with Mace's death...he is completely shocked. Also, he sounds like he is in pain when he's killing the Seperatist leaders. The tear in his eye afterwards shows regret. And....drum roll...he kills Palps in ROTJ. Anakin loves his family above all else...Jedi, Sith, friend or enenmy. The promise of saving Padme is the only thing that Palps could have seduced him with. That's why there are two movies before ROTS showing how it's Anakin's attachment to his family that provides almost all of the motivation to the Anakin/Vader character...leaving his mother in ep1, losing his mother in ep2, fear of losing Padme in ep 3
and fear of losing Luke in ep 6.
I agree! I'm convinced that Anakin would have defeated Palpatine had he not needed him.
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JediCouncilMaster
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Anakin had his doubts. He wouldn't do such a thing.
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Lord_Hydronium
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No, he wouldn't have killed him. Look at how the scene goes: Palpatine talk about saving Padme, and only then does Anakin ignite his saber. Anakin doesn't back down until Palpatine brings up the "I know you would", basically telling Anakin he's treading close to the dark side. That's what keeps Anakin from killing him. Anakin didn't refrain from killing him then because of Padme (or at least not just because of it, or even I think primarily because of it). He did it because he knew that Palpatine was trying to get him to strike him down in anger, just like he did with Luke, and Anakin wasn't having any part in that.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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Palps posted:
DARTHJOSEPH posted:
The only reason Anakin saved Palpatine was to learn how to save Padme and even after that he never fully commited to the Dark Side. For example...Anakin isn't exactly happy that he helped with Mace's death...he is completely shocked. Also, he sounds like he is in pain when he's killing the Seperatist leaders. The tear in his eye afterwards shows regret. And....drum roll...he kills Palps in ROTJ. Anakin loves his family above all else...Jedi, Sith, friend or enenmy. The promise of saving Padme is the only thing that Palps could have seduced him with. That's why there are two movies before ROTS showing how it's Anakin's attachment to his family that provides almost all of the motivation to the Anakin/Vader character...leaving his mother in ep1, losing his mother in ep2, fear of losing Padme in ep 3
and fear of losing Luke in ep 6.
I agree! I'm convinced that Anakin would have defeated Palpatine had he not needed him.
Do you really think Anakin could have destroyed Palps?
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SithStarSlayer
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DarthJuggalo posted:
Palpatine was telling Anakin everything he wanted to hear since the first time they met.
I think that was the deciding factor. Anakin felt(especially in RotS)that Palps was the only one who trusted him.
Obi wan was just as big of a father figure to Anakin as Palpatine if not more so.....
Anakin needed someone to feed his ego. Palpatine did just that....
So basically, It was Palps against Obi Wan.
He was basically raised by Obi Wan who was like his Hard nosed father that was trying to make Anakin a better man. Palpatine was like the step dad who wants to be your friend. Instead of teaching Anakin how to be a better man he told him what he wanted to hear.
Then the fact that Palps said he could save Padme was more or less the icing on the cake for Anakin's decesion.
Whether Anakin would've struck Palps down without hearing about the power to save Padme remains to be seen. I think it depends on which Anakin we're talking about. He's borderline Skitzofrantic.
I could not have put it any better, even if I had typed that myself...
From the first time they met, Palpatine poured a magic "honey-potion" in Anakin's ear. Everything else after that, must've sounded sweet. Like music... or a lullaby written just for the "Chosen Fool".
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DarthSapient
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1/31/06 11:29am
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The question posed by the thread author is whether Anakin wold have struck Palpatine had the Sith revelation come at that moment. Given they were whispering and no one could hear, who would have believed Anakin? He would have been killed most likely for attacking the beloved leader.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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At the time heck no way!!!!!
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Palps
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1/31/06 12:07pm
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DarthSapient posted:
The question posed by the thread author is whether Anakin wold have struck Palpatine had the Sith revelation come at that moment. Given they were whispering and no one could hear, who would have believed Anakin? He would have been killed most likely for attacking the beloved leader.
Another reason why Anakin joined Palpatine... Fear.
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Palps
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1/31/06 12:09pm
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Master_EdgeCrusher posted:
Palps posted:
DARTHJOSEPH posted:
The only reason Anakin saved Palpatine was to learn how to save Padme and even after that he never fully commited to the Dark Side. For example...Anakin isn't exactly happy that he helped with Mace's death...he is completely shocked. Also, he sounds like he is in pain when he's killing the Seperatist leaders. The tear in his eye afterwards shows regret. And....drum roll...he kills Palps in ROTJ. Anakin loves his family above all else...Jedi, Sith, friend or enenmy. The promise of saving Padme is the only thing that Palps could have seduced him with. That's why there are two movies before ROTS showing how it's Anakin's attachment to his family that provides almost all of the motivation to the Anakin/Vader character...leaving his mother in ep1, losing his mother in ep2, fear of losing Padme in ep 3
and fear of losing Luke in ep 6.
I agree! I'm convinced that Anakin would have defeated Palpatine had he not needed him.
Do you really think Anakin could have destroyed Palps?
Oh yes. Anakin (and/or Pre-suit Vader) could have destroyed Palpatine.
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DarthSapient
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There was no way the Jedi could win. Palpatine was beloved and he had worked hard to paint the Jedi in a bad light, distrusting. Any action aginst Palpatine was a no-win.
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SithStarSlayer
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You are right on, Sapient.
BUT, that being said...
How cool would it have been to see Anakin squaring off against Sidious?
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