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SithStarSlayer
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1/25/06 8:27am
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RE: Racism in ROTS
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 Listen to Yoshifett, you must!!
From the Dictionary:
RACISM
1.) "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."
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CAN ANYBODY SHOW ME ONE CLEAR-CUT EXAMPLE OF THIS DEFINITION IN ROTS?
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Greedo_forever
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yoshifett posted:
In ROTS, no. How about in "Do the Right Thing?" Were there sci-fi saber battles in that one?
I think that, as Freud said, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. People tend to see what they want to see.
I agree. Its the same with some forms of sexism in film and other media. Sometimes people just have a big chip on their shoulder and they need to confront others about it. SOME people just need this kind of conflict.
Although I dissagree with a lot of the flaming going on in this thread, some people ARE asking for it, due to the wording they choose to express themselves. Like the one that said if someone doesn't see racism in a film, THEY are most likely a racist and don't know it... that kind of statement is BOUND to attract anger.
But the concept IS something to think about.
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yoshifett
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SithStarSlayer posted:
Listen to Yoshifett, you must!!
From the Dictionary:
RACISM
1.) "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."
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CAN ANYBODY SHOW ME ONE CLEAR-CUT EXAMPLE OF THIS DEFINITION IN ROTS?
Thanks! And actually, if we're talking about Mace here, he turns out to be a superior duelist. Better than all the white duelists. He puts the Emperor down. (Before that punk Anakin betrays him) So, does that mean Lucas is trying to say that to be a great duelist you must be black? Riiiiiiiight.
People read way too much in to movies that are set in the realm of fantasy and don't have anything to do with race. It certainly wasn't Lucas' intent, and if you see it there, you're looking too hard. (Understandable for Star Wars Fans though  )
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SithStarSlayer
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People read way too much in to movies that are set in the realm of fantasy and don't have anything to do with race. It certainly wasn't Lucas' intent, and if you see it there, you're looking too hard.
Another excellent point, Master YoshiFett.
If you didn't know WHO was getting fried in this pic, what would you think?
If you are like me, then it's just another Jedi getting "pwned" by the Sith in Episode III!!
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ZamWesell44
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It wasn't Anakin who had a problem with mace, it was completly the other way around, he was and ******* to Anakin, staring him down trying to intimadate him, saying i don't trust him.
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SithStarSlayer
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Good point Zam!
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darth-sinister
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Anakin wasn't trustworthy. He was willing to betray the Jedi, if it suited his purposes. Mace was trying to keep him in line. This is why he tells him to stay behind. He had his best interests at heart.
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Get_in_Gear
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Besides, lets pretend for one insanely giddy, hedonistic moment of unbridled abandon that all these things are evident in the film.
Let's pretend Anakin does have an issue with Mace because of the colour of his skin.
That Anakin does overlook Mace to seek Yoda's counsel based purely on Windu's pigmentation.
Pretend that Lucas has intentionally and premeditatively chosen to give the leading coloured Jedi human a bum deal in the saga.
Even then, how is the message of the movies a racist one?
Surely, then, the clear message would be that these things are just plain wrong, and that by thinking and acting in this way, Anakin is making a pact with the agents of evil and is becoming an evil person himself.
It still isn't a "racist" message, is it.
Schindler's List openly portrayed nazis and ethnic cleansing - did that film have a racist agenda? Did it promote racism?
No.
But I digress, it just isn't an issue in SW either way... unless you choose to make it one...
It is coveting power and showing a fundamental, and perhaps naive in Anakin's case to a degree, disregard for all humanity that is the crime here.
Anakin would gladly kill black men, white men, Neimoidians, Aqualish, women, children, his peers, his closest friend - he even ends up lashing out at his own wife - to gain the power he has become utterly enthralled by.
Good Lord, racism doesn't even cover it - it is painted in far broader strokes than that.
The films are about the weakness that potentially lurks in all men's hearts, not just one social prejudice alone.
All prejudice is a terrible thing but, with all due respect, it is kind of eclipsed by the terrible attrocities Anakin finds himself committing.
He ends up screwing a whole galaxy full of sentient beings for his selfish whims - not just one demographic exclusively...
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woodlebert1
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edit: Baiting is not allowed and will get you banned.
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lorn_zahl
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lol I hope your joking, I really do.
So the only way ROTS could be "ethnicaly sensitive" is to have Mace Windu walk off into the sunset?
Gee how about the other races/species in the movie? I guess they're not as important as the African American characters...
If someone wants to tell me to "calm down" and "don't flame," please explain to me how that isn't an ignorant statement.
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yoshifett
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No, your right on the money lorn_zahl. That's not flaming, though I bet, unless woodlebert's IQ is less than fifteen, he is baiting.
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Andy_Fett
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About Mace, who really expected him to survive? If you "watch" the Original Trilogy, you will notice that Mace is not in it. So if you put 1+1=racist, you need to recalculate.
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woodlebert1
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1/28/06 4:59pm
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dudes...it was a *joke*
honestly. did you really think that was my opinion?
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lorn_zahl
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How are we supposed to know?
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RebelScum77
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1/28/06 9:11pm
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woodlebert1 posted:
dudes...it was a *joke*
honestly. did you really think that was my opinion?
People don't get in trouble for their opinions, they do get in trouble when they intentionally bait other users, or in the case of this thread write a "joke" post when we've warned people several times not to do so in here.
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