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I didn't know where to post this so lock if needed. I was reading some trivia about ROTS on imdb.com & found this fact:
In the battle duel scene with Count Dooku, the imprisoned Palpatine originally had more dialog which he was to shout at Anakin. One of his lines pertained to Star Wars: Episode II - Attack of the Clones (2002) in which Palpatine exposed Dooku as paying the Tusken Raiders to kidnap, torture and kill Shmi Skywalker.
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It was a dropped idea. Dooku had nothing to do with Shmi's death.
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Had it remained it would've looked too much like Anakin was set up. Some things needed to be just nature going along it's course. People come and go. For some people it is their time to die and for others, it is not. It makes Anakin's situation more realistic that he cannot accept nature and not that he was always manipulated into it. He does have to be tricked, but he also has to look past the deception for the truth in these matters.
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I believe George should have kept that dialogue. The idea that Tusken Raiders just happen to kidnap Shmi right before Palpatine manages to separate Anakin from Obi-Wan and expose him to bad influences is too much.
I mean Palpatine would have had to do away with Shmi sooner or later anyways. I mean you can't have your apprentice not following his Masters commands because his mommy doesn't approve.
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I agree with Sinister on this. Shmi's kidnapping and eventual death was a random occurance that wasn't set up by The Sith. For a start, how would explain The Tuskens and The Sith having a relationship, when The Tuskens are a nomadic bunch that don't form relationship's with people outside of their own tribes? How would The Sith get The Tuskens to kidnap Shmi? Why would The Tuskens do this for The Sith?
Shmi's kidnapping and death was a random tragedy. That doesn't mean Palpatine didn't make the most of it though. Maybe he knew about Anakin's nightmares (just as he knew about Anakin's nightmares in ROTS) and realised it was the right time to split up Anakin and Obi-Wan, because without Obi-Wan to guide him, Anakin would be forced to go and help his Mother.
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HookLineAndSinker posted:
I mean Palpatine would have had to do away with Shmi sooner or later anyways. I mean you can't have your apprentice not following his Masters commands because his mommy doesn't approve.
Anakin had'nt seen his mom in 10 years!
He only went to see her because of his dream.
I highly doubt she would have gotten between
Anakin and Palpatine.
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I like it better that it's left up to the viewer to decide whether Dooku and Sidious had a hand in Shmi's death or not. Kinda like the whole "did Palpatine create Anakin" stuff, it depends on the viewer...whatever suits them.
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JMN77 posted:
HookLineAndSinker posted:
I mean Palpatine would have had to do away with Shmi sooner or later anyways. I mean you can't have your apprentice not following his Masters commands because his mommy doesn't approve.
Anakin had'nt seen his mom in 10 years!
He only went to see her because of his dream.
I highly doubt she would have gotten between
Anakin and Palpatine.
But it was the Jedi Order that separated them. I think it's clear that if Anakin left the Jedi Order, he would have re establish contact with his mother. Sidious would have let Vader do what he wants with Padme and Shmi. But ultimately I think it's clear Sidious would have bumped them off eventually just to draw out the rage of Vader.
I just think part of Palpatine's plan in AOTC was to separate Obi-Wan from Anakin. Anakin would then be exposed to non-Jedi emotions. One was the love of Padme. The other I think was the death of Shmi. In my view, it works better if Palpatine had a hand in the death of Shmi then it just being a perfect coincidence.
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I would have to say that the likelihood of a Sith Setup is lower than a random Tusken Raider attack. It's clearly established in ANH that "The Jungland wastes are not to be travelled lightly" or whatever. Luke goes a tad away from the farm and gets attacked in broad daylight. The Tuskens CLEARLY are agressive beings that will kill anyone hanging around, alone, and close to their territory.
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shmi being attacked by tuskens and anakins dreams to me work better if they were in act created by sidious, only because they seem to come out of nowhere in the films
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Carnage04 posted:
I would have to say that the likelihood of a Sith Setup is lower than a random Tusken Raider attack. It's clearly established in ANH that "the Jungland wastes are not to be travelled lightly" or whatever. Luke goes a tad away from the farm and gets attacked in broad daylight. The Tuskens CLEARLY are agressive beings that will kill anyone hanging around, alone, and close to their territory.
But Shmi was nowhere near the Jundland Wastes when the Tuskens took her because Cliegg Lars mentioned that she was dusting crops on the homestead when they kidnapped her so I find it suspicious that a group of barbaric creatures like the Tuskens would leave their homelands just to kidnap an elderly woman. What's also suspicious is that they didn't kill her the second she crossed their path and then she dies the second Anakin finds her.
All of these coincidences just screams the words "Sith setup".
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She was getting mushrooms from the moisture evaporators. Those things are way out and she probably crossed their paths while they were moving from one point to another.
Also, on an earlier point, Palpatine telling Anakin that Dooku had his mother killed would turn Anakin's anger toward the Sith. As the story plays, Anakin is only angry at the Sith because he was told they are evil. If Palpatine tells Anakin that the Sith killed his mother, that confirms in Anakins mind that the Sith are what the Jedi say.
Now, Anakin blames Obi-Wan and the jedi for taking him away from his mother, holding him back, and keeping secrets from him. All these things the Sith use to poison Anakins perceptions, making the Jedi seem to be manipulative and evil.
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Tatooine is a neutral planet. I have a hard time seeing Tuskens, wild as they are, being swayed by a Republic or Confederate leader.
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As Cliegg describes it, the Tuskens were a scouting party. Just cause they're in the Judland Wastes doesn't mean that they don't travel from there. It just means that if you go there, you're likely to be attacked by Tuskens. In the novelization for AOTC, it explains that the Tuskens would occassionally bother the farmers. They had been doing that for several days, before Shmi was taken. She had gone out to pick mushroooms near a vaparator. Not all of them were at the farm itself, but in various ridges and plains, for several miles.
Take note that in ANH, they don't kill Luke. They drag him back to his speeder. What they would've done had Obi-wan not forseen Luke being in danger, is pretty obvious based on what happened to Shmi. Palpatine just merely capitalized on what Anakin had told him from before. His main goal was to get Padme and him alone, so that he could develop an attachment to her. And so that she couldn't oppose him in the Senate. The Tusken Slaughter was just a bonus.
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darth-sinister posted:
Had it remained it would've looked too much like Anakin was set up. Some things needed to be just nature going along it's course. People come and go. For some people it is their time to die and for others, it is not. It makes Anakin's situation more realistic that he cannot accept nature and not that he was always manipulated into it. He does have to be tricked, but he also has to look past the deception for the truth in these matters.
But it would've, to me at least, made the whole situation a little more believeable. Everything else in the PT, from the Trade Fed blockade of Naboo on, was a manipulation of the Sith. Why not the kidnapping of the Chosen One's mother? For Shimi's abduction to happen at the same time as Anakin and Padme's feelings running into overdrive on Naboo was a little too co-incidental for my taste.
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Shmi was kidnapped one month prior. Everything in life happens for whatever reason. It's not always tied to one person. Palpatine just used Anakin's nightmares to his advantage.
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