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LeiaSkywalker4
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1/19/06 4:33pm
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DUGGY posted:
That Kenobi survived Mustafar was a fluke--he was never expecting it. He didn't want to have the kid's death on his conscience, and he was wanting to die. However he survived and didn't want to--which, I believe, would help to explain why it was Vader who killed Anakin. He blamed himself for years.
It was Vader who killed Anakin. Vader has always been in Anakin. the Greedy, selfish , arrogant , lusting for power side of Anakin. that is Vader , and Palpatine set him free. and he killed Anakin Skywalker. metephorically it is 100% true. when given the opportunity and power he always wanted , Vader rules, and Anakin never had a chance. as for ObiWan, i Agree he does not want to kill Anakin. but he will Kill Anakin. he is a Jedi first and foremost. his duty is to the Force and Anakin represents a threat to everything ObiWan believes. " I will do what i must", Anakin made his choice. that does not mean that ObiWan does not feel responsible for Anakin's failure as a Jedi. what Mentor wouldn't. but he will do what must be done. but he never wanted to die. he likely never thought about that. he had " a Job to do " 
Bravo DUGGY Bravo 
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sith_rising
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When I saw the title of this thread, I thought it was referring to when Obi-Wan jumped down to confront General Grievous, his bodyguards, and several hundred battledroids and droidekas. Now THAT was suicidal, even if he knew support was on the way!
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thechozn1
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Possibly the most interesting thread in months. It's plausible that he didn't care to go on and wanted to end it for both of them. He was just fine with becoming one with the force and moving on. I could go for it.
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DarkSyder
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The ROTS novelization shows that Obi-Wan may have been having self-destructive thoughts: he says to Yoda that he should have let the droids shoot him on Geonosis or died when he fought Darth Maul - before he even tried to train Anakin.
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I plan to go over this in my fan fic of Obi-wan's point of view of the saga
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YoungAngus
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I like this idea. Very Tragic.
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mjerome3
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Great concept, but he anytime a Jedi engages in combat with a Sith he can die. Kenobi could have died on Geonosis. He could have died on Naboo. The lava just adds more danger to the situation, but as far as we know Kenobi had never been there before and the fact he and Anakin went from the landing platform to the control room and then to the open area spoke volumes about Kenobi's bravery. I don't even think he even thought much about the lava or the likelihood of it killing either him or Anakin.
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I've never thought of it that way. I kinda like that idea.
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ObiWanIsTheOne
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LeeKenobi posted:
Mustafar. Obi-Wan has been tasked to destroy the Sith by taking down the kid he trained for 13 years. He knows he's outmatched, that Anakin is the better fighter (notice how throughout the duel, he gives ground to Anakin, taking a more defensive stance)
But what happens? He moves to the most dangerous place of all. Instead of continuing the fight inside the protected walls of the structures, he moves outside. And Anakin dumbly follows.
Here's how I see it---Obi-Wan in his heart doesn't want to take Anakin down, which is why throughout the duel, he keeps trying to turn Anakin away from the Sith. So he simply stops trying. He has Anakin follow him into the volcanic hot spots (such as going backwards across the narrow pipes) and let the environment destroy both of them.
That Kenobi survived Mustafar was a fluke--he was never expecting it. He didn't want to have the kid's death on his conscience, and he was wanting to die. However he survived and didn't want to--which, I believe, would help to explain why it was Vader who killed Anakin. He blamed himself for years.
a better treatment of this can be found here
http://www.stardestroyer.net/ROTS/Revelations-1.html
*sigh* Another Anakin is a better fighter than Obi-Wan topic. Can't we just jumble this mess into one big topic? Even with the movie as proof, Anakin is somehow still a better fighter. Riiigggghhhht.
As for the topic....
How is going outside suicidal? It gave more breathing room than being in a cramped room. Obi-Wan is not suicidal, not in this fight at least.
He was never expecting to not survive against Anakin? Pfft. Prove it.
Obi-Wan went there to stop Anakin. Plain and simple. Not to kill himself. Obi-Wan knew he could handle Anakin. Why do you think he wanted to face Sidious and not Anakin? Its because he knew if he was forced to fight Anakin, he would win.
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darth-sinister
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1/19/06 9:51pm
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What LeeKenobi is saying is that by taking outside, where the lava is, Obi-wan would sacrifice himself to stop Anakin by letting the lava do it.
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Rossa83
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I don't think he was suicidal. He knew that the Jedi Order relied on him to survive - him and Yoda. Probably, as some of you write, he also knew he could beat Anakin. I doubt if for a second he was afraid. Most likely, on his journey to Mustafar he contemplated how to fight Anakin - that gives him an edge!
As for the defensive part: OBW was a defensive swordsman, looking for opportunities. Not all Jedi were like that. Some used a more offensive tactic and swordsmanship. However, all Jedi were defensive in that their mission was to protect. A sith is offensive because his mission is to attack and conquer. A sith does not necessarily need to be more offensive in his fighting style, but his outlook and mission is more offensive.
OBW attacked both Griveous and Anakin, but he did it to defend the republic. Yoda attacked Sideous to protect the republic. Maul, however, attacked the Jedi to eliminate adversaries that had become an object in their path of domination.
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ObiWanIsTheOne
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darth-sinister posted:
What LeeKenobi is saying is that by taking outside, where the lava is, Obi-wan would sacrifice himself to stop Anakin by letting the lava do it.
So he is saying that Obi-Wan was purposely trying to go outside and kill Anakin, even if it meant his death? Like he had a good feeling that the lava would kill them both and he didn't mind as long as Anakin died too? (Which was likely since lava was all around them.)
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toronto-gush
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The only time I can think of a Sith igniting his sabre first was ANH Vader vs. Ben.
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Darth_Sideous
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toronto-gush posted:
The only time I can think of a Sith igniting his sabre first was ANH Vader vs. Ben.
Dooku drew first when he fought Yoda, didn't he?
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Carnage04
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I think Obi-Wan went to either turn Anakin back or outright kill him in a swordfight. From the movie, we have no reason to believe Obi-Wan knew where he was heading. He hid out in the closet the entire trip. When he first stepped out onto the ships' landing, he probably looked around and thought "Holy crap! This planet is BAD."
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