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The_Chibi_Kiriyama
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1/31/06 8:12pm
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RE: 2005 Razzie Nominations
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I think his DIRECTION was horrible, but all those who have seen My Life As A House would know that he has an acting ability that is largely untapped in Episode 2. I feel this is more a fault of Lucas for having not drawn out a more serious and less impetuous role for Christensen, but again that is my opinion alone. He role in Episode 3 is just brought down by his romance and ending dialogue, and since he plays the main character the first thing people who hate Star Wars go after is 'Wooden Acting Hayden'. I think the Razzies are flawed entirely and that bad acting/directing/anything else movie related one could complain about should be chastised through word of mouth instead. It brings up the more sordid truths in people...
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Darth_Zoo
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1/31/06 8:34pm
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It's funny and cool to hate Star Wars. Honestly even the worst bashers can't possibly think Hayden is the WORST film actor of the year. If so they just aren't seeing many movies. It's sad but life goes on. He'll probably win.
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Siths_Revenge
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1/31/06 8:43pm
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Was Fantastic Four passed over too? And Into the Blue? Stealth?
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DINVADER_RETURNS
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1/31/06 9:11pm
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Couple questions for those who think Hayden was badly directed.
What did Lucas do differently with the direction of the performances of Hayden (& Natalie and others), than he did with Harrison, Mark, & Carrie in the first Star Wars? If you've seen interviews with the Carrie and Harrison, more current and older, they all talk about how George pretty much said "faster more intense." And these same people always said "you can type this @#$* but you can't say it about the dialogue.
Have you even seen the snippits of the direction he gives Hayden on the EP3 DVD documentaries? Also have any of you read the making of books, especially the ROTS one where it sometimes has documentation of what Lucas said to the actors. I wish for once someone would directly comment on what is wrong with what Lucas is saying to them?
I hate the bluescreens=bad acting argument, because people complain about the scenes where no blue screen was used. Like the fireplace scene in AOTC.
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vong333
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1/31/06 10:22pm
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Well Orlando Bloom or not, Hayden is the fall guy for the crap scripts that he was given for both AOTC and ROTS. Can't blame Hayden for it, and you know what, Bloom is a decent actor and he has nothing to do with the Razzies nominating Hayden for one of those awards. Heck, didn't the TPM win 7 of those? Or have we forgotten them already? Sorry, but the prequels have very very lame lines, more so than the OT.
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jb1007
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1/31/06 10:35pm
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Dialogue is the key word here people
It is not Hayden Christensens fault that he has to say some of the most god awful dialogue that will make Pearl Harbor look like Citizen Kane
He is not to blame. George Lucas is for the horrid cheesy dialogue that he gave his actors in all 3 prequels.
Not even Tom Stoppard who is a 2 time Oscar nominated screenwriter can get rid of the dialogue during the love scenes.
How about that fireplace scene from AOTC. Geez
He never was and never will be a good writer. He can come up with stories, but he can't write dialogue to save his life.
Hayden doesn't deserve that award. If they really wanted to give Sith an award so bad, then just give it worst screenplay, but Hayden is a fantastic actor
Life as a House, Shattered Glass, and Revenge of the Sith all show that this kid got some acting skills.
Sith shouldn't even be nominated for a razzie. They could've put Alone in the dark there.
Christian Slater was more deserving of the nomination than anyone else.
I still can't believe Sith got only 1 Oscar nomination. What a crime
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Charn
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1/31/06 10:36pm
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vong333
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1/31/06 10:59pm
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No, I Laugh at GL and how horrible he is at ruining peoples career. , what a horrible writer the man is. You guys better not hope to have him write a script for the new tv series or .....  there goes star wars in tv.
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AT-AT_Commander
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1/31/06 11:09pm
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The main thing I disagree with and its been said here before is him getting it for supporting actor. If your gpoing trash him trash him right. But hayden was better in ROTS than AOTC.
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JohnWesleyDowney
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2/1/06 12:55am
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And speaking of how bad a writer Lucas is,
isn't it amazing how the screenplays he wrote for AMERICAN GRAFFITI
and STAR WARS A NEW HOPE were both nominated for Oscars? 
The guy's a visual artist (and that's what film is, a visual medium)
and he has never claimed to be a great writer. You don't need to be a
great writer when you're a visionary. It's funny how his writing
on the dutifully worshipped OT (he's got screenplay credit on two of 'em
and story credit on all 3) gets a pass because it's what people grew up
with and have enshrined in their heads as magical.
No little kid ever walked out of Star Wars commenting on "the writing." But I'll
bet they remember all the cool stuff Lucas put on screen...like Star Destroyers,
and the Death Star, and bickering robots, and the dive toward the trench run,
and the jump to light speed and light sabers. Lucas knows how to entertain people and how
to create stunning images. (There are quite a few in ROTS). If you're a filmmaker,
you better have your priorities straight. And it's darn sure not the writing. It's the overall experience...blending everything...performances, the script, the visuals, the music, and the editing into an overall experience. That's what a great filmmaker does.
Is the speeder bike chase through the forest Moon of Endor in ROTJ "great writing"?
No, but it's an awesome part of the film. One of many. Lucas has storytelling talent where it counts.
A little perspective.
David Mamet is a great writer so they say. But I can barely get through his films
because they are so boring and talky. It's like he completely forgets to entertain the audience. Nothing ever HAPPENS. You can have David Mamet. I want a Lucas film.
(Mamet did provide Brian DePalma with a solid script as a basis for THE UNTOUCHABLES though.)
There are plenty of people who can write crisp, scintillating dialogue
who aren't one one hundredth of the filmmaker Lucas is. Good dialogue
is nice, but I'll take great images, characters and a John Williams soundtrack anyday.
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Siths_Revenge
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2/1/06 12:56am
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I'm sorry but the LOTR films have some terrible dialog in them but no one complains about it. I mean, everytime Legolas speaks, the quality of the film goes way down. And Treebard and Merry and Pippin kill any seriousness TTT had.
Kong has virtually NO good dialog in the last 2 and half hours or so of that movie. But does anyone complain about it? No.
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JEDI_MISFIT138
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2/1/06 1:27am
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for John's post.
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arwen_sith
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2/1/06 2:30am
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Too bad Hayden got nominated... I loved him in Life as a House, so it's not the acting. I'm not sure it's the directing either, but perhaps the lines he was given.
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President-Starkiller
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2/1/06 2:33am
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I think it is very unfair, not only because Hayden did a decent job, but what about his preparation for the role: bulking up, intense hours of swordfighting practice? It is ironic that if it were Tom Hanks (eg for "Cast Away" when he gained weight, then lost it for the role) he gets applause for method acting, but Hayden just gets a slap in the face.
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DINVADER_RETURNS
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2/1/06 5:26am
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"The films are liked by half the people, they're hated by half the people. You know, it's the same thing with the critics. I mean, all the Star Wars films have been trashed and all the Star Wars films have been praised. So, it's very hard to say, 'Well I'm going to take this group and say, you know, they don't like it therefore I am going to change it.' I mean, I am making the movie that I think is appropriate to what I am doing. It's not market research. I am not like a studio. I do what I want to do. I don't check it with an audience. I say this is the story. This is the story I'm going to tell for very personal reasons and I'm going to go ahead and do that."
--George Lucas, Static Multimedia interview, 2005.
"He (Anakin) lets himself go there...he's spilling his guts out to her (AOTC couch scene). It's intended to be overly dramatic, even operatic... You've got to remember that this whole series of films is based on a
30s genre, The acting style is very much from the 30s,conceptually it's using the influence and the inspiration of the 30s films as its basis, the most central of which are the Saturday matinee serials."-
GEORGE LUCAS on AOTC DVD COMMENTARY
"I wanted to write a love story in a style that was extremely old-fashioned, and frankly I didn't know if I was going to pull it off. In many ways this was much more like a movie that from the 1930s than any of the others had been, with a slightly over-the-top, poeticstyle-and they just don't do that in movies anymore. I was very happy with the way it turned out in the script and in the performances, but I knew people might not buy it. A lot of guys were going to see this movie, and most guys think that kind of flowery, poetic talk is stupid--'Come on, give me a break.' More sophisticated, cynical types also don't buy that stuff. So I didn't know if people would laugh at it and throw things at the screen or they would accept it. Let's face it, their dialogue in that (couch) scene is pretty corny. It is presented very honestly, it isn't tongue-in-cheek at all, and it's really played to the hilt. But it is consistant with the over all Star Wars style. Most people don't understand the style of SW. They don't get that there is an underlying motif that is very much like a 1930s western or Saturday matinee serial. It's in that more romantic period of making movies and adventure films. And this film is even more of a melodrama then the others."
--GEORGE LUCAS "Behind the scenes AOTC" book
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