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Fat_Bird
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2/1/06 6:28am
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First of all, people need to quit blaming his bad acting on the directing or writing. Ian and Ewan were able to rise about the material and give great performances.
Second of all, in my opinion, they nominated him for supporting because they're frankly saying that no matter what GL intended, Hayden didn't carry or "lead" the movie.
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arabiansanchez
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2/1/06 6:32am
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I know Hayden is 3rd bill behind 2 established stars Ewan and Natalie, but is Anakin really a supporting character?
I'd have called him the lead myself. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears to me the razzie organisers don't even know the definitions of lead and supporting.
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Fat_Bird
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No, he's not a supporting character. Anakin and Obi-Wan are the leads in ROTS. If anything, Padme was just a supporting character.
But I think they did that on purpose as a way of saying that he is no Vader and he didn't carry the film.
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arabiansanchez
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Well I agree in that I believe Ian McDiarmid was the real glue of the movie, but Anakin is no doubt the lead.
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G-FETT
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Fat_Bird posted:
No, he's not a supporting character. Anakin and Obi-Wan are the leads in ROTS. If anything, Padme was just a supporting character.
But I think they did that on purpose as a way of saying that he is no Vader and he didn't carry the film.
No. They did it becaused they have already decided Tom Cruise is getting Worst Actor, and this is the only way they can have a go at Star Wars. If Criuse wasn't in the Worst Actor category, Hayden would be.
Come on, play the game.
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Obi-Can
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2/1/06 8:49am
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Well sorry to say Hayden deserves this award, for supporting or lead or both. He did a poor job in these films and wasnt even that great in Shattered Glass. His bad acting really ruined AOTC and damaged the Pt irrevocably. IMO there were only a few scenes where he became the character: when speaking to Sidious at the Opera? thing and when he's challenging Obi-Wan. Every other scene he was tentative, whiney, seemed to lack confidence or belief in the lines. Granted the dialogue is cheesey, but Portman, McGregor and Ian are able to sell it 99% of the time where Hayden only 20% of the time. He's just not that good of an actor, lacks presence on the screen and Anakin/Vader needed to be strong, confident and forceful and Hayden was never that.
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apology__accepted
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2/1/06 9:25am
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Frankly I can't understand how anyone can claim to be a fan and agree with this nomination. In fact I thought the previous nominations from TPM & AOTC were total BS and a result of half the people loving George's vision and the other half hating him. I hate discussing Star Wars with people who are convinced George should have the PT their way. I am 27 and I grew up with the OT, I was lucky enough to see ROTJ in the theatres in 1983, and I have always been pleased with the product Mr. Lucas puts out. It really takes a low life to go on the razzie website and pay $20 just to feel like they are sticking it to Lucas or Star Wars fans, I guess it makes little people feel big. That stupid site has ZERO credibility, as witnessed by bitter little liberals who voted George W. Bush as worst actor, did I mention I hate liberals?! Aside from that I say if you are pleased with what Mr. Lucas puts out don't purchase the DVD or any of the merchandise and be quiet and let the fans who enjoy the films talk about them in a constructive manner!
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rhonderoo
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2/1/06 9:37am
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I'd put Hayden's acting with this right up there with Ewan's. Ewan was actually better in AOTC, where Hayden was better in ROTS.
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G-FETT
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2/1/06 9:59am
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rhonderoo posted:
I'd put Hayden's acting with this right up there with Ewan's. Ewan was actually better in AOTC, where Hayden was better in ROTS.
That would be my take too, Rhonderoo. Not to say Ewan was bad, but there were a few stinkers from him this time - Escpecially the scene where he sees Anakin killing the Younglings, there was just no emotion there on that scene at all.
Mind you, other times Ewan was outstanding - The scene where he confronts Padme saw Ewan on fire. And all of his Mustafar scenes and everything afterwards was great, too. 
But for me, Hayden was more consistent throughout.
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BuriedAlien
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2/1/06 10:02am
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On the bright side, it seems like REVENGE OF THE SITH isn't getting much attention from this whole Razzie/Worst Film business this year. That's certainly an improvement.
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jedisith678
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2/1/06 10:16am
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This is a bunch of bull crap. Hayden did a awesome job in revenge of this sith. I dont understand why he would even be considered of a nomination for an award like this. They just wanted to throw somebody on there from star wars, it's BS if u ask me
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theBluePhoenix
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2/1/06 10:39am
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I have to agree that Hayden does not deserver a razzie for ROTS. I don’t feel he was “brilliant” by any means but he was much better than he was in AOTC. Anyway, it seems to me that the Razzie folks took it easy on ROTS. Not that I would completely agree with them, but I expected them to nominate it for worst picture, worst director, worst script, and worst screen couple.
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BuriedAlien
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2/1/06 11:29am
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theBluePhoenix posted:
I have to agree that Hayden does not deserver a razzie for ROTS. I don’t feel he was “brilliant” by any means but he was much better than he was in AOTC. Anyway, it seems to me that the Razzie folks took it easy on ROTS. Not that I would completely agree with them, but I expected them to nominate it for worst picture, worst director, worst script, and worst screen couple.
Thankfully, I think the STAR WARS-bashing trend is over; it's not hip to hate on STAR WARS anymore.
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the_imperial_senate
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2/1/06 11:34am
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Be glad they didn't focus on Sith throughout all the categories.
We're all satisfied with Hayden besides a few lines of stiltedness. As for Ewan, I believe part of that youngling scene was edited down so we probly didn't get the full feeling.
If there is one person to criticize on these movies, its the nutjob editors who trim too much stuff here and there butchering the script and film IMO. Look at AOTC where Obi twirls his body deflecting Jangos blasters in the rain. The shot was in the trailers, why cut that 1 second shot that looked awesome.
In ROTS, the shot of Sidious's ship after it picked up burnt Vader and was entering Coruscant.
Or in TPM when they cut the scene of Qui-Gon smashing the droid in the Mos Espa prompting his and Anakins running back to the ship.
They cut good dialogue out of ROTS too, just read the script. These things contrive the movie, not George or Hayden or anybody else IMO.
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ZamWesell44
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2/1/06 11:50am
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anybody that can watch ROTS, and can not see how Hayden goes from good to evil effortesly, knows nothing about acting at all. The weakest performance in ROTS was Portman, but even she was not that bad.
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