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Siths_Revenge
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2/1/06 2:49pm
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RE: 2005 Razzie Nominations
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You want to see weak acting? Check out Adrien Brody in Kong. Woof!
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Dean1138
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2/1/06 11:13pm
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RE: 2005 Razzie Nominations
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I don't really place much value on the Oscars, Golden Globes, Logies anything where these industries fuss about how great they are and pat themselves on the back. However this is all really just further representation of Hollywood jumping on the bandwagon. Bear with me, this is going to be long winded . . .
The original Star Wars came out to huge success which totally bewildered the industry at the time. So at the Academy awards the film was nominated for 8 awards, deservedly winning all the technical ones plus best soundtrack. Now in amongst this Alec Guinness was nominated for best supporting actor. How could he have been nominated. Guinness himself said the role was tiresome and he didn't really have to put too much effort into delivering the lines. Now don't get me wrong, I loved Guinness in Star Wars, he really does wear the part, but I felt Harrison Ford did just as good a job in Empire, where was his nomination for that? You see, Hollywood got all confused and bewildered by the whole phenomenon that was Star Wars - it couldn't work out what everyone loved so much about it so they went and nominated it for everything.
Anyway, after Star Wars, Lucas pretty much makes his feelings known about the whole Hollywood system. They don't like this too much at the Academy. Empire comes around, which critically surpasses the original in most circles, indeed it is classed next to the Godfather PtII as being the best sequel of all time. So where were it's nominations, it won a few technical awards, but where was it's nomination for things like best soundtrack, surely it deserved at least a nomination if the original actually won the award (and remember this is the soundtrack that gave us the Imperial March, Han & Leia's Love theme and was generally much deeper and more mature than Star Wars). Sour grapes on Hollywood's behalf??
Then Jedi, which is admittedly not as goo as its predecessors - though deservedly it does win for the effects.
Then - nothing about Star Wars - Lucas goes on to trash Hollywood and the system more, indeed takes all of his companies (ILM, Skywalker Sound, THX) out to Lucas Valley to start his own film community. Well, isn't George just getting a little too big for his boots.
Jump ahead to the over-hyped Menace - it receives less than favourable reviews, while the hype starts a Star Wars backlash, and doesn't Hollywood just love it. The industry punces. Not only is it snubbed big time at the Oscars, It is nominated for almost all the razzies (including Sofia Coppola as Worst Supporting Actor (WTF)??? I didn't even know she was in the film until I read that - I think you see her for like 5 seconds in the background) and it just continues on from there.
Now we get to Sith which is a very good film, it has flaws, but still there were far worse films, and actors going around this year (the whole cast of House of Wax for starters). Yet still it's, "let's try have a final jab at Lucas and his ridiculous franchise shall we - I mean why not - we're underacheiving tools that can't get our own career going so let's have a go at the big guns, it'll make me feel better about my sad life".
Really, it's all about what's hot & what's not. I mean sure, Christensen isn't the be all and end all of actors but when I'm watching Sith, I feel like I'm watching Anakin - sure I know it's really an actor but he does what actor who is capable does, he allows me to suspend my belief just enough to see the character not the actor - and a bad actor could not let me do that.
But really, who cares, Star Wars is with us forever and every single one of those people who put Star Wars down in the industry I'm sure would secretly give their right bollock to have the following that Lucas has. Lucas' films are pretty much critic-proof as no matter how much rubbish is piled on it from those "in the know" it will still be loved by more & more & more people as time goes on. That is where the success lay, not in some sham award ceremony that 2 weeks later no one will remember any way.
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Dean1138
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2/1/06 11:21pm
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And something else - you can bet that Indy IV will get the same treatment in 2008
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adamlee
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2/2/06 12:57am
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The Razzies is the most ridiculous award show ever. I mean regardless of what anyone says (if Hayden carried the role or not) ANAKIN IS THE LEAD. The story is about him. So The Razzies are flawed to begin with.
Second, Hayden Christensen is a good actor. Anyone who has seen Life as a House or Shattered Glass knows that. he got Oscar buzz for the former. True he had a few stale parts, but the only ones where I had a problem is with Natalie Portman. And that was just GOD AWFUL dialogue.
I agree that the editing in a lot of parts for the PT was awful (Ani and Qui Gon crushing the droid. I was like ok so why are they running?) And some parts like where Anakin says "No I promise you. to Padme. Or scenes where Obi Wan and him fight in the Mustafar chamber, or even dialogue that implied Palps was tricking Anakin into thinking Obi Wan wanted Padme would have helped piece the film together. And how does a character like Qui Gonn Jinn get no run in the last film. Wasn't he important to both Obi and Anakin? I would have loved to have seen it in AOTC and maybe have Anakin question Obi Wan's teaching methods.
Sorry I got on a roll. The point is Hayden was not awful. He improved greatly and hopefully will continue. Razzies are a joke all right. They just don't get that the punchline is themselves.
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Darth_Downunder
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2/2/06 3:38am
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sorry if this has been asked but did Ep's 1 or 2 pick up any Razzies?
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lovelucas
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2/2/06 3:40am
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this is my letter - i was published in the san diego paper yesterday (i'm from michigan):
here's the direct link: http://www.sdcitybeat.com/article.php?id=4017
Anders in quotes
Responding to the quasi-thinks-he-really-knows-enough-to-be-a-critic review of Revenge of the Sith, and George Lucas and Hayden Christensen ["Film," Dec. 28]:
This "review" reveals much, but not about the topic, but rather its author. Anders Wright has only a very superficial understanding of the Star Wars story. His carping criticism of Revenge of the Sith, and Hayden Christensen most specifically, dwells on the whining of Hayden as Anakin that was essentially left behind in the second episode of Star Wars, Attack of the Clones, which was so necessary for the character of Anakin at this point in the saga's timeline (he was a know-it-all, very arrogant teenager and therefore tapped into exactly what George Lucas wanted conveyed—ever been around one of those teenagers, huh?). In Revenge of the Sith, the older Anakin, wonderfully portrayed by Christensen, is subjected to the worst kind of betrayal. The story is there but your "reviewer" (I will not ever dignify him with a journalistic title unless it is within quotation marks, thus implying a fraud) chose not to recognize it. He may say he has been a Star Wars fan in the past, but no fan could possibly be so obtuse as to think the prequels should be essentially the happy-lark-with-a-joking-Han/Leia adventure the original trilogy was. These are dark times; this is a tragedy (ever read Othello?) with no happy ending anywhere except for that candle in the wind when the infant Luke is delivered to his aunt and uncle by Obi Wan—the final shot of Revenge of the Sith.
I hate—I mean, really hate—that those who publish do not have the integrity to formulate their opinions in the realm of learned knowledge of what they choose to trash. Your "critic" stands by himself—no one else condemned this film or this actor as the worst of the year. I certainly respect what Ebert and Roeper and all the true film critics had to say about George Lucas and what his 30-year epic accomplished, which was near-unanimously positive. I will always believe Ian McDiarmid, who consistently and repeatedly praised Hayden Christensen and his "marvelous performance" as this iconoclastic figure that everyone thinks they own. Only Hayden does that. And he does it exceedingly well.
I question Anders' intentions. Perhaps he is seeking his nanosecond of fame—how sad and pathetic, evidence of a shallow well.
Linda Pellerito,
Grand Rapids, Mich.
2/1/06
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DINVADER_RETURNS
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2/2/06 4:36am
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If they really nominated the worst pictures nobody would care, as they'd all be lower budget things few ever heard of.
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Loco_for_Lucas
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2/2/06 11:16am
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That letter is really no better than any criticism people level against reviewers who have a less than positive opinion about the Prequels. It takes the writer's opinion as fact, that the story is "there," but that is open for debate, as is Star Wars itself being a tragedy. Not even the Prequels are tragedies, since they end with a sense of hope, Luke Skywalker and the remaining Jedi. It's operating on a very superficial idea of what a tragedy is, yet questions the reviewer's understanding of said theme/genre. It's basically a vague rant against an opinion the writer does not agree with; unsubstantiated and, honestly, rather baseless in this poster's mind.
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G-FETT
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2/2/06 12:26pm
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Loco_for_Lucas posted:
That letter is really no better than any criticism people level against reviewers who have a less than positive opinion about the Prequels. It takes the writer's opinion as fact, that the story is "there," but that is open for debate, as is Star Wars itself being a tragedy. Not even the Prequels are tragedies, since they end with a sense of hope, Luke Skywalker and the remaining Jedi. It's operating on a very superficial idea of what a tragedy is, yet questions the reviewer's understanding of said theme/genre. It's basically a vague rant against an opinion the writer does not agree with; unsubstantiated and, honestly, rather baseless in this poster's mind.
Well, it looks like the Paper published it, so they must have thought it had merrit. Just as well your not the editor on that Paper! 
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Castor20021
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2/2/06 12:50pm
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merit has one r
just as well you're not an editor!
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2/2/06 2:14pm
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Castor20021 posted:
merit has one r
just as well you're not an editor!
Just as well I'm not a moderator! 
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Hudnall
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2/2/06 2:26pm
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Still, in a way its comforting to know that right out to the bitter end, "Hollywood" continues to treat Star Wars with the contempt its always done - Some things never change
Yeah. The conspiracy. The same conspiracy that bagged the original STAR WARS 11 Oscar nominations and 7 wins, as well as 3 or 4 nominations and a win for EMPIRE. And the same conspiracy that gave Lucas a lifetime achievement award. Yeah.
His acting was no worse than anyone else's in ROTS. Ewan, Sam and Ian had their craptacular moments as well. More than Hayden, I'd say. His was mostly dialogue.
This, I agree with. Hayden did pretty good in REVENGE. The worst acted moments were by Ewan really.
I notice you didn't address my point about Tom Cruise being nominated for no other reason than they don't like what he is doing in his personal life.
I think Tom Cruise stinks in most everything he has ever been in. So yeah, he deserved the Razzie.
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Palpateen
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2/2/06 2:52pm
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the original star wars had 10 nominations, not 11
and won 6 Oscars, not 7.
thank you, thank you, thank you
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Hudnall
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2/2/06 3:06pm
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Technically yes, you are correct. But Ben Burtt also got a Special Achievement Award - which included, gives the numbers 11 nom and 7 wins. Or maybe we should call it 10 noms and 7 wins.
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G-FETT
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2/2/06 4:22pm
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Hudnall posted:
[b] His acting was no worse than anyone else's in ROTS. Ewan, Sam and Ian had their craptacular moments as well. More than Hayden, I'd say. His was mostly dialogue.
This, I agree with. Hayden did pretty good in REVENGE. The worst acted moments were by Ewan really.
So, are you saying Hayden should get a razzie or not? Your still in that odd position (which I'm sure that time last year you never dreamed you would be in, LOL) of wanting to Bash, but actually rather enjoying ROTS, aren't you? 
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