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Darth_Ogawa  131 posts
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 7:42pm Subject: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
As Palpatine was falling down the elevator shaft with Anakin and Obi-Wan when the runaway elevator was about to hit them, he loses his grip on Anakin's leg.

Then as they approach the next elevator shaft opening while falling, Palpatine suddenly grips onto Obi-Wan's leg like it's easy slinging himself into the opening.

It seems like they would at least notice Palpatine's quick reactions at that moment and maybe should have suspected that he was more than just a politician!

 
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theBluePhoenix  866 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 7:47pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
You said "shaft".

 

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Darth_Ogawa  131 posts
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 7:51pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
hu huh. Yeah! Yeah!!

Well, I guess it's good Palpatine didn't use his Force grip on Obi-Wan's shaft and grabbed his leg instead!

 
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Darth_Sidious-  482 posts
Registered: Nov '05
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 7:52pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Who's dat cat that won't walk out, when there's trouble all about...SHAFT! Dats what I'm talkin' bout baby.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 2/1/06 11:36pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
It's called CGI. Palpatine didn't use the Force, otherwise Anakin and Obi-wan would both sense it.

 

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Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 3:23am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
If that fall down the elevator had gone slightly wrong, do you think Palpatine would have been forced to use the force in order to prevent his death? Do you think he had so much faith in Anakin that he never considered this?

Also, if Palpatine had used the force, would Obi-Wan and Anakin actually have been able to sense it, considering he had been able to conceal his abilities with the force from the entire Jedi Order whilst on Coruscant?

 
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TomPiltoff  419 posts
Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 8:01am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
darth-sinister posted:
It's called CGI. Palpatine didn't use the Force, otherwise Anakin and Obi-wan would both sense it.


It's CGI? You mean that isn't Ian McDiarmid plummeting down an elevator shaft? Thanks for that.

The original poster is asking about the way Palpatine seems to effortlessly slide out of the elevator shaft. Which would lead us to believe

A.) Palpatine used the Force, which the Jedi should sense.

or

B.) Palpatine did not use the Force, in which case I hope there's a good in-universe answer, because it's just sloppy to show an 80 year old man doing stuff like that.

 

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mandragora  1586 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 8:09am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
TomPiltoff posted:

A.) Palpatine used the Force, which the Jedi should sense.
or
B.) Palpatine did not use the Force, in which case I hope there's a good in-universe answer, because it's just sloppy to show an 80 year old man doing stuff like that.


or C.) he did use the Force, but with all the action going on the Jedi were a little bit too busy and focussed on the rescue to concentrate on whether Palpatine might use the Force for a fraction of a second then.

Actually, I found the scene quite funny. Without all the chaos surrounding them I think they would no doubt have noticed that "you must have Jedi reflexes" to pull off what Palpatine did.

 

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LLL  3749 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 10:10am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Yeah, I saw that! I was like, "OMG -- they dropped Palpy!"

Who's to say that somebody didn't realize they dropped Palpy and use the Force on him to pull him back up so he could get a grip?

It's the only thing that makes sense. He's not going to use the Force in front of Anakin and Obi-Wan.

Pssst, Palpy is 60 there, not 80.

 

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lighteninggun  504 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 10:22am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
And it is NOT a foregone conclusion they would have sensed it. Isn't he using the force to hide his identity?

 

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TomPiltoff  419 posts
Registered: Apr '05
23541_Anakin
Date Posted: 2/2/06 10:40am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
lighteninggun posted:
And it is NOT a foregone conclusion they would have sensed it. Isn't he using the force to hide his identity?


Yeah, but I'd imagine actively moving an object with the Force would send out a tremor, whereas simply using it to hide wouldn't.

 

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TheCRZA  1645 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 11:03am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
It's also CGI when Anakin uses the force to feed the fruit to Padme in AOTC.
Bad CGI.
Bad Force usage.

I don't want to be the guy that breaks the Santa rule to anyone here,
but depicting the Force in SW films requires special effects.
Because... the force isn't real.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 11:13am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
My point about the CGI is that it makes it easier to have Palpatine make a smooth catch. Realistically, it wouldn't be that smooth. However, you don't have to be a Jedi or a Sith to catch someone's leg. It's common in films for people to do the impossible without being superpowered. Palpatine doesn't need the Force to simply reach out and grab ahold. The reflexes aren't dependent on the Force. Only when it's something like blasters or fighting. Simply reaching out isn't that difficult.

Who is to say that Palpatine wasn't an athlete when he was younger, before going into politics?

 

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Darth_Ogawa  131 posts
Registered: Jun '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 11:18am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
darth-sinister posted:
Palpatine didn't use the Force, otherwise Anakin and Obi-wan would both sense it.

Maybe he didn't use the Force very overtly, but I think he may have sneakily tapped into it for just a split second while utilizing only minimal Force usage therefore still being able to maintain that cloud of stealth around him so they wouldn't notice anything.

 
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mandragora  1586 posts
Registered: May '05
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 11:41am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Obi and Anakin were struggling for their own lives in that fall, everything happened within fractions of seconds - why is it so hard to believe that they simply were too focussed on other things to notice that for a fraction of a sec Palp used the Force?

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:01pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Because the second Palpatine uses it, they'll feel it and identify it in him right away. Palpatine has remained hidden by not using the Force in the presence of the Jedi. To do so would endanger things.

 

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