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mandragora  1586 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:11pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
I think it depends to what degree this usage causes a tremor in the Force. I think of Force sensitivity as kind of a sixth sense, which works similar to the usual five senses. The "louder" the Force tremor, the more likely they are to hear hear it. If it isn't that loud and is lasting only for a fraction of a second, and if they are busy struggling for their lives at that moment - plus don't forget Obi had just regained consciousness - I think there's a very good chance for them to miss it. I mean, how often do we miss something we normally are able to hear if we are in the midst of a situation of chaos. Even though they are Jedi, they are still human, they aren't some kind of recording machine. It is to be expected that they don't catch every detail that happens in such a situation, even if they are Jedi, I think.

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:13pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
TomPiltoff posted:
darth-sinister posted:
It's called CGI. Palpatine didn't use the Force, otherwise Anakin and Obi-wan would both sense it.


It's CGI? You mean that isn't Ian McDiarmid plummeting down an elevator shaft? Thanks for that.

The original poster is asking about the way Palpatine seems to effortlessly slide out of the elevator shaft. Which would lead us to believe

A.) Palpatine used the Force, which the Jedi should sense.

or

B.) Palpatine did not use the Force, in which case I hope there's a good in-universe answer, because it's just sloppy to show an 80 year old man doing stuff like that.


C.) It's Star Wars and thus inherently unrealistic. Shortcuts are made to service the plot. That's it. The same can be said about the Indiana Jones movies. Everyone shots at Indy, he never dies. The storm troopers shoot at our heroes and they never get shot.

 
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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:15pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
It's not hard to believe that Palpatine just managed to grab on at the right time. It's happened in all kinds of action films.

 

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yoshifett  7632 posts
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Date Posted: 2/2/06 12:17pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
darth-sinister posted:
It's not hard to believe that Palpatine just managed to grab on at the right time. It's happened in all kinds of action films.


Exactly, that's what I was trying to say. Action movies are inherently unrealistic and suspension of disbelief is necessary.

 
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Droid  124 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4/06 2:23pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Rossignol posted:
If that fall down the elevator had gone slightly wrong, do you think Palpatine would have been forced to use the force in order to prevent his death?


If Palpatine has the ability to use the force to save himself from falling down a shaft then maybe he didn't really die at the end of ROTJ.

 
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Obi-Chron  2392 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4/06 2:55pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
QGJ explains to Shmi that being strong in the force allows one to anticipate things before they occur. So Palps does not have to manipulate events in the elevator. He is able to anticipate what is about to occur with lightning quick reflexes and still remain undetected by the two Jedi.

 

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Darth_Joshy  234 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4/06 5:16pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
theBluePhoenix posted:
You said "shaft".


LMAO

 

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Obi-Chron  2392 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4/06 8:13pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
Consider also that the shaft holds mythic symbolism on several fronts:

It is in one way symbolic of the plight facing the republic -- how Anakin and Obi-Wan do their respective parts to win the war, while Palpatine rides their coat tails and comes out smelling like a Utapauian rose.

Mythic falling into shadow indicatesan unleashing of one's destructive powers.

Falling in Jungian and Freudian dream symbolism represents an unfulfilled need, often for one who feels misunderstood or misrepresented or pertaining to a matter of personal failure -- all three of the falling individuals have failed in some way already at this early point in the movie: Obi-Wan has failed in his second attempt against Dooku, rescued by his former Padawan and carried to safety like luggage; Palpatine has not been able to divorce Anakin from his attachment to his mentor, Obi-Wan; and Anakin completely failed the Jedi code, killeing Dooku in revenge, letting his emotions get the better of him.

Dream falling also indicates an impending adversity facing the dreamer, a major conflict looming that demands resolution. So the elevator shaft could have much more meaning than merely an Fx backdrop to a plot transition.

 

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Dezdmona  1484 posts
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Date Posted: 2/4/06 9:19pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
A Utapauian rose? rose A rare rose indeed Obi-Chron.

A well written and interesting analogy on dream interpretation.

 

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Lord_of_all_Noldor  546 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 7:21am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
I don't think he used the Force. Maybe it was an accident...

 

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Billy_Dee_Binks  3262 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 7:36am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
It has nothing to do with CGI. At all. It's the editing.


Anyway, I believe Palaptine DID use the Force. Why would he want to fall into his death?
Anakin was way too busy getting a grip somewhere AND holding Obi Wan. Also, Palpatine used the Force to cloud that he's a Sith.

 

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darth-sinister  43577 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 11:46am Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
You don't have to use the Force to reach out and grab someone. Jedi/Sith reflexes aren't dependent on using the Force directly. They just need to see it coming and then reach out.

 

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Ki-Adi-Mundi_fan  509 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 1:55pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
darth-sinister is right.

 

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mandragora  1586 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 10:05pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
darth-sinister posted:
You don't have to use the Force to reach out and grab someone. Jedi/Sith reflexes aren't dependent on using the Force directly. They just need to see it coming and then reach out.


"He can see things before they happen. That's why he appears to have such quick reflexes. It's a Jedi trait." (QGJ)

It has to do with having Jedi traits. An "ordinary" chancellor couldn't have done this. Whether this involves using the Force directly or indirectly (how do you use the Force indirectly, btw?) is secondary to me.

 

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JediCouncilMaster  13895 posts
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Date Posted: 2/5/06 10:12pm Subject: RE: Palpatine used the Force in the elevator shaft
That's very true. Any sane person would do that.

 

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