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Worst_Jedi_Ever
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And the first words out of suited Vader's mouth were about Padme, and that Sidious convinced him that he killed her (which from a certain POV he did) broke my heart.
[sarcasm]Ah, Rebelscum77, the circle is complete. When first I joined this forum, I was but the learner, now I am the master.[/sarcasm]
I don't know if you remember, but one of my first forays into this group was the suggestion that in order to make Anakin's turn believable, he'd have to do something really horrible like kill Padme. You very vehemently disagreed that he could directly kill her, and argued so compellingly that you even convinced me that Lucas couldn't possibly go that low. I even said at the time, agreeing with you, that "I don't think that the public at large is really ready to have their hero do something so heinous". And of course, you were right that he didn't kill her directly. But as far as Lucas needing Ani to do something heinous to sell his turn, the fact that he murders children and then assaults his pregnant wife, leading her to lose her will to live, is considerably worse than anything most of us thought we'd see.
I remember some of the people involved in that discussion say that such a terrible act would ruin the films for them, make Anakin irredeemable, and even make SW impossible to enjoy. In fact, a poster (I don't know if he/she is around anymore, but I won't name them, because I'm not trying to challenge anyone or call anyone out) even said said "I would throw out all my DVDs and video tapes (OT and PT) if he killed her."
And all joking aside, I don't mean this post to be any kind of I-told-you-so; on the contrary, I have always been impressed with Amanda's (may I call you Amanda?) posts, and have been very interested to hear you and others weigh in on how Ani's brutality affected the way they view him. There are probably a lot of things we were "sure" we would or wouldn't see, and those expectations are sure to figure into our reactions.
All the above discussion--fascinating to read now--took place in the "Official Fate of Padme Thread", but I don't know how to link to it...
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Bucky-Katt
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5/19/05 9:53am
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Hi Everyone. I've read the first page and a half of this thread, but I have not had time to finish it, but I wanted to post some thoughts.
I left the theater speehless. I hated Anakin by the end of this film, but there along side that was my feeling so sorry for him. He was so close so many times to doing the right thing. It fits so perfectly with Luke's feeling of the good in Anakin in RotJ.
I saw this movie almost 12 hours ago, and I am still not through digesting it. The more I think on it, the more I relaize how great it was.
Going into the movie theater, I think the crowd was expecting to cheer when Vader (in the suit) came on screen the first time. But by time it happened, what was there to cheer about. the silence I think was more fitting.
Mr. Lucas hit the ball out of the park with this one.
I look foward to discussing this film with all of you.
Brian
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TurnedJedi
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stormcloud: Hey TurnedJedi - Luke doesn't remember Dagobah in TESB...he remembers the powerful presence of Yoda...
I think that helps to explain the whole Leia memory thing. Luke clearly has some memories of Yoda, who was 5 feet away when he was born. Leia for some reason can remember her mother. I think in both cases they don't have actual memories, more a sense in the Force.
I've never seen it from that angle, but...maybe? However, the Leia thing bothers me more. It could have been done in a way to simply explain it. What we got in the film doesn't contradict anything, but still...
By the way, did anyone call Obi-Wan after the birth of the twins? They better not have!
I too was expecting more from Mon Mothma and the budding Rebellion. But as others have said, I'll enjoy them on the DVD  .
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stormcloud8
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I just saw someone in the spoiler forum saying that in the book, Luke has his eyes closed to shield them from the light, while Leia has her eyes open and fixed on Padme. That would explain it, I think. Will have to watch closely next time.
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NorCalBirdz
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Worst_Jedi_Ever may need to change his avatar. Those two other Jedi who went to arrest Palpatine made Coleman Trebor look like a cunning warrior.
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Worst_Jedi_Ever
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I'm going to stand by Coleman. Considering that he was killed by a mere human bounty hunter and Mace's companions (Sasee Tiin (sp?), Kit Fisto and...who was the last one?) were taken out by the Dark Lord of the Sith (who they had assumed was just a frail old man), I think my guy is still the worst!
And for anyone who might know--did we not see Shaak Ti in this flick AT ALL? She was a fave of mine from the CW cartoons. I'm guessing either she appeared and I missed her, or she will be one of a handful of Jedi who were purposely left alive as EU fodder.
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stormcloud8
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Maybe she'll be the star of the TV show. Although I really hope the show doesn't have Jedi in it. I like the idea of Yoda and Obi-Wan being the only ones able to survive. Much more dark and tragic.
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While I like the idea of just the two of them surviving, I don't think it will last. There are 18 years of time to fill. It may also be a little far fetched that Yoda and Obiwan are the only two survivors. I mean, the two of them did change the Code signal warning against returning to the Jedi Temple.
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NiktosRule
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I think the only time you see Shaak Ti is during when of the council meetings when everyone appears as a hologram. The one where Yoda is at Kashyyk.
Where were Barriss Offee and Bultar Swan? Both are listed in the databank but I couldn't find either.
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Anyone notice Anakin's PSP?
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Jabba-wocky
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I was very pleased.
But Darth Vader reminded me of Calculon. You all know what I'm talking about:
"NOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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spaceace27
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5/19/05 2:48pm
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But he did kill Padme, now didn't he?
Ok....maybe not physically, but from a certain point of view (metaphorically), yes. I'm too hot off the presses to give any decent criticism, but maybe the leg losing could have been a little more tense than "I'm going to do something stupid and hope you're dumber than I think you are". Either way, her death was necessary for Vader's life...and he made it crystal clear. The duels were intense, I did not see Mace's death happening that way...I was floored that that was the turning point. And what an intense way to start the movie...that's all for now.
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marajadebean
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Jabba_wocky,I didn't even think about that scene being that way but very funny pop reference indeed.
To add more comments, I would have loved to have seen Qui-Gon in some way, even for a bit. But then I think about it, and the focus is on the twins being A New Hope. I think my complaints were mostly music wise. Don't get me wrong, I love John Williams but I was hoping for something more original music. Granted, I haven't listened to the whole soundtrack yet and I know why the cues come into play but all the OT has different and wonderful end credits. It makes me wonder why the heck did George not put in the one for AOTC! Why George, why! Or this one...it was such a Williams' gem and it tied all of the Anakin themes together....
But this movie is still Oh My GOD with me.
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spaceace27
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And by the way, Obi-Wan doesn't leave Anakin for dead. He leaves Darth Vader for dead. Anakin doesn't kill the children, Vader does (I DID NOT see that one coming, and I was terrified). Anakin ceases to exist totally when he kills Mace (or helps). I still have to decide about repeated viewings on this one. I have to think about it, it's really intense and there's a lot there. Should I read the book? Who's writing it?
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Lexi
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Watching the movie a second time, it felt more like Obi-Wan knew that Anakin was going to die, but he couldn't bear to see that, and that's why he left.
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