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bswb
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5/24/05 9:26am
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[ROTS] Now that we've seen ROTS, what do you think of the PT?
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Not sure if this should go in the PT forum, but it does involve ROTS discussion, so I'll try it here first.
The saga is now complete. So how satisfied are you with the PT?
After seeing ROTS, I'm still in the camp that TPM should have been a book (like Labyrinth of Evil), Episode 1 should have been AOTC, and 2 and 3 could be ROTS and CW mashed together. As much as I love the PT, I think that is its downfall. After seeing ROTS, I feel like TPM, a few plot points aside (which could be covered in 2 minutes of exposition), is even more unnecessary.
Seeing the plotlines cut from ROTS makes me think that GL simply had too much info. ROTS is certainly streamlined to focus on Anakin's fall, but I would have liked to see the stuff about Mon Mothma and Bail trying to stir up resistance in the senate and the birth of the rebellion played out. Since the last season of CW takes place right before ROTS, you could have interspersed a lot of that stuff in and between the two films - and it would have been nice to give Padme something to do.
Also, there were scenes cut of Grievous taking out Jedi. For the sake of time, I don't think they belonged in ROTS, but a live action version of the abduction of Palpatine and the way Grievous takes out Jedi would have really built up his scariness as a character more.
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qui_gon_jinn_83
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It's really, really hard to say.
What you are suggesting definetely seems tempting (even though I love TPM).
ROTS is probably my fav Star Wars film, but it does move very, very fast. It would definetely be nice if more time could be spent on this period of time in the saga. The clone wars and whatnot, and maybe Anakin's friendship with Palpatine.
But still, I feel it was very important to show Anakin's childhood in a film. Even though TPM has some stuff that could be "cut away" (just like ROTJ has IMO), I still feel it's an important film to the saga, even though it doesn't seem as connected as the others (probably because it stands alone, with it being 10 years before Episode II).
All in all, I think I prefer the PT the way it is now. But like I said, the Clone War period is incredibly interesting, and it'd be very, very nice to see more of it.
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I loved the PT!!! Much more going on then the OT. More story. More mystery. Palps deception and more Sith and bad guys. More Jedi and lightsaber duels. I could not have Had a better ride then I did with the PT. It was really fun!!!
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Kiki-Gonn
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Lucas' comments at the Cannes Film Festival were really interesting. He says he has two fan bases, each fanatically enthusiastic for their trilogy (OT vs. New).
With ROTS out, there's no question the PT stands well on it's own. I loved I & II but there was a point to be made about them being less than engaging. Now that ROTS shows us the emotional payoff of all that setup, it's a different story.
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bswb
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I agree qui_gon_jinn_83, there are many parts of TPM I love, and it's unfortunate that this is forced into being 3 movies instead of 4. Half of TPM is necessary to make AOTC and ROTS work, but there's a lot of fat to trim. Like you, I feel the same way about ROTJ.
I suppose I can always burn my own super-mega-versions of the DVDs! 
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i still see it as 1 six film saga & i've been into star wars as long as i can remember. i saw ROTJ in the theater, so you may half expect me to be a PT basher, but i love em all. oh well.....
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I'm a big fan of the PT and OT.
I'm glad Lucas decided not to "show" alot of the Clone Wars and instead put the focuse on Anakin, which is what Star Wars is all about. The "Clone Wars" are just a background that the saga of the characters plays out on...much like the Civil War was a background in "Gone With the Wind".
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bswb
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My problem is that I felt the Clone Wars really helped the development of Anakin. While his childhood is critical to the choices he makes later, his journey through the Clone Wars (at least via the cartoon) shows that 1) he's flirted with the dark side several times and 2) his relationship with Obi-Wan gradually changes from master/padawan to the brothers we see in Ep 3. I would have liked to see that transition on the big screen, as it shows a maturation process in him while still letting his flaws seep through.
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I like the PT how it is for the most part but ROTS has completely changed how I view episodes I and II. I know view everything before Mace's death scene as necessary backstory. From that point on, the galaxy is submerged in evil right up until the point that Anakin kills Sidious. For me TPM, AOTC, and the first half of ROTS are just buildup for that one scene. I see it as Anakin's choice between the light and dark sides physically happening when he cuts Mace's hand off.
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I definitely think it could have been better as:
Episode I: padawan Anakin and the start of the Clone Wars
Episode II: the Clone Wars
Episode III: after the Clone Wars, the rise of the Empire
Now, that being said, seeing the full and complete prequel trilogy really changed my perspective. I think that the issues and scope of the PT are far grander than the OT. The effects and fights are better, and I think the acting and dialogue is a draw.
Count me now under the 'PT is better than the OT' crowd. That may change over time, but I stand there now.
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bswb
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stormcloud, I am surprised! Weren't you really unhappy with TPM and AOTC?
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stormcloud8
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No, I wasn't really unhappy. I saw room for improvement. I think the only thing that really pisses me off is Jar-Jar and the Gungans.
In general I am like Obi-Wan...'overly critical.' So my rantings might seem like displeasure, but really I'm just too tough to please.
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The Phantom Menace- Well polished, well crafted film with a nice developing story and a good twist at the end in the event this is your first Star Wars movie (Sidious=Palpatine). I like it alot.
Attack of the Clones- Mediocore at best. Undercooked, and terrible editing on all fronts.
Revenge of the Sith- Best of the prequels, very well polished, perhaps the best editing and pacing in the entire saga.
And overall, I think I-III (not really prequels anymore), when combined with IV-VI, will work very well together.
Like that one article on rottentomatoes I posted showed, the prequels have actually gotten better reviews than the origianls.
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This might not be appropriate for this thread, but since we're talking about the PT in general now, I'll throw this out there. Would Episode I and II have benefited from a score more similar in tone to Ep. III? I know that I and II were supposed to be lighter, and don't get me wrongo, I love William's work in I and II, but the dark music of ROTS worked really well and gave all of the scenes more foreboding. It gives everything a more serious feeling. Especially during TPM, there were certain scenes where William's score became very "playful," and watching it you are thinking, these events are affecting the entire universe for the next forty plus years.
For example, Anakin goes home because he's having premonitions about his mother suffering and dying...but when he shows up at the homestead there is a light and playful music that intros 3PO. The music gets darker later, but I just wonder if people would have taken the events of I and II more serious if the music would have been different.
I can definitely understand that he doesn't want all three episodes to be dark, especially considering what a downer ROTS is.
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I don't agree. The music gets gradually darker throughout the trilogy. The moment you mentioned with Threepio might be playful, but it still has a more grown-up feel to it than the playful music that we hear in TPM. There's a lot of foreboding in the AOTC score.
About plot points being cut from ROTS: It sure would've been nice to have seen the beginning of the Rebellion and it's too bad Lucas felt that there was no room for it, but really, it's not needed. The movie is great the way it is and we shouldn't think about what could have been, because we won't get it.
First and foremost, ROTS is the continuation of AOTC and the climax of the PT. As such, it works great. ANH then introduces the Rebel Alliance by showing us Tantive IV on the run from Imperial forces. It should tie in well with the end of ROTS, where we see Bail, Obi-Wan, Yoda and the droids on Tantive IV, running from Imperial Forces.
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I love the entire six films. I saw all six in the theatres when they were released the first time out. If I like the OT better, it is probably because of nostalgia. Star Wars was my childhood. There really wasn't much else out there at that time. If I like the PT better, it is because it felt more grown up/had more weight (Jar Jar aside). There was political intrigue and betrayal. The OT was straight forward. The PT had a lot of currents under the surface. Purely as a fan. I wish that TPM had been a flashback scene or two in ATOC thus being PT film 1. Then a more in depth look at Obi-Wan/Anakin/Padme during the Clone Wars. The death of the Jedi might have been more powerful than it already is if we had more screen time with them. If you see ROTS and have read no EU, you would not even know the names of the jedi who die during order 66. ROTS could have been the third film of the trilogy.
All that being said, it is George's baby and he can do with it what he wants. He did an incredible job. I love the story flowing through Ep 1-6. Someone incredible is found, becomes a hero, has a tragic fall, and is redeemed in the end. Beautiful story. Well done.
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