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Shindo_the_Stricken
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8/7/06 12:33pm
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RE: D&D
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And this weekend looks like a go for me to come down, but I have Duty muster Sunday so I'd have to leave Sat. night....but I could leave early Fri. afternoon and have a bit--maybe a few of us can get together?? Lodreh I would really like to see you my friend. It's been too long and I havent yet been physically able to congradulate you yet ^_^
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Sith_Sgian
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8/7/06 10:14pm
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RE: D&D
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Thats fine holder, if you dont want to deal with that, that is your choice. As for what my character does in another campaign, leave that to the DM running that campaign. It was allowed, therefore it happened. But let me ask you a question. Why do things out of game to a character when things should be left in game. Sgian did what he wanted to do. He felt confident in his powers and he fell in love with his Goddess... Its twisted... but then again look at everything he did do... everthing he did was sick and twisted and wouldnt have gone in your campaign but it was Chris' campaign... Why instead of just outright killing him and ripping up a character sheet dont you send Janus after him?? I mean Janus from what I hear is godly and probably could take a god out... And are you telling me that if Durgen wanted to he couldnt fight a god and kill it?
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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RE: D&D
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He and Galvas BOTH fought against Gods, holy crap.
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Mordtat
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Date Posted:
8/8/06 6:55am
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The name is Durgen... don't piss me off. You wouldn't like me when I am angry.
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Mordtat
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8/8/06 7:04am
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The problem with Durgen killing a god is the fact he is still at the begining stages of being an epic level character. Also, the only things he had that were killer was his Axe and two inmovable rods. There would be a lot of work for him to get to that point. However, the stories of Durgen are legend. I could see Durgen being able to gather a large enough following for Demi-god hood.
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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8/8/06 7:52am
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And if Galvas slept with the right people, oh yeah he'd be sheer ultra bad ass. But before he was just a mega bad ass.
Let us not forget who went toe to toe with Janus(even though it was in the earlier part of the campaign and it was a sparring match hehe), Havoc(who was a God that took human form), and the bastard Vlad himself. If he did all that even before going epic, just imagine..........
Round level 40 or so, dude would be horribly bad ass...one smite from one of his swords could damn near kill a Balor-OH I SAID IT!
Calculating that incredible extra smiting damage(thank you feats), and the fact that he had holy weapons and the critical multiplier...come now, the man was a beast.
Besides Durgen ya know.
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Kazuma_Kuahara
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8/8/06 8:16am
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Allow me to tacticly interject here...
On dieties lets work in order of characters mentioned...
Sgian: Godhood was awarded easily in the end of the campaign followed by the primary retiring of the character. Key Item 'Magelin Gloves', they were comprable to Durgen's axe obscenely powerful. The idea that when (according to the storyline) the campaign ended Sgian just walked up to Baccob (I think it was) and just "smacked her" and she ran. Lvl 21 (or 28) wizy and 10 shadow dancer. Sick combo, well played, and allowed for the ability to stand against the lords of hell.
Durgen: Strong character, well played. GODLY AXE... no other gear. Axe could deal 6k dmg I hear??? WTH Gods don't even break 1k hardly and he's not already a threat to them? I guess when you think about them being immune to slashing/piercing/blah/blah/blah... only take bludgeoning damage and unarmed damage. Can't say much else on this guy, never played against him but does seem under-geared in some ways but strong story.
Galvase: ... Rice cakes??? or what ever the hell his fetish was??? pies maybe??? donkeys... who can remember... I only know Galvase from the little he was involved in other campaigns so I can't say anything on him other than... FALLEN PALADIN~!~!
Kazuma: In and out of demi god 2 times. HIGH level character effective of over 60. Highly geared, no defining item instead chose to have a small arsenal and to be a leader of armies and kingdoms (late in story). Worshiped Athena and was later adopted by and at the end of the campaign became her avatar. (dieties and demigods explains the ascencion process) Perhaps, I'll even admit, over power in some ways but has the 40+ hrs a week for about a year and a half of play to explain what he's been through to earn his stripes.
Janus: (sp? please forgive if wrong) LVL:?? story:?? class: psionic/??/?? a god?: yes by all account how he is unstoppable and the dieties and demigods never conquer how the gods would do against psionic damage he could be the biggest threat of them all. If you think back dieties have a MINIMALISTIC view on material plane interventions. They kinda like to sit back with their popcorn and watch the show.
Summary: Dietics by definition are easy to attain in low levels and come and go with the tide. By definition it takes only a couple hundred followers to reach dietic rank of 0 (I think according to wizards only 100 to be exact) and then the rest is determined by subsequent levels of followers. Also not all gods have the ability "Alter reality" which would give them the ability to wipe ALL of the worlds minds and of all the other planes of said character and not to mention effecting the will of the other gods too. One god cannot act strongly with out another acting either with or against them. So with that it can be rather easy for a character to temporarily gain low dietic ranks but as time fades so does their rank unless the continue to seek out followers. For instance if Pan was to try to alter the world to erase one of Hades followers from existance Hades would either stop him or take several followers from Pan out of existence and so forth.
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Lodreh
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Date Posted:
8/8/06 8:50am
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RE: D&D
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Sith_Sgian posted:
Thats fine holder, if you dont want to deal with that, that is your choice. As for what my character does in another campaign, leave that to the DM running that campaign. It was allowed, therefore it happened.
Jim, I thought it was quite clear that I said it would not fly in MY game... I don't care what happens in other games... I was just illustrating a point about what to expect in an Epic Level game if I were to run it.Sith_Sgian posted:
But let me ask you a question. Why do things out of game to a character when things should be left in game.
Again this is quite clearly an in game solution... the God you just insulted would erase you from existance... since you no longer exist their is no death... hence no resurrection... therefore nothing to do with a character sheet... ripping the sheet into pieces is just a way of saying roll a new character.Sith_Sgian posted:
Sgian did what he wanted to do. He felt confident in his powers and he fell in love with his Goddess... Its twisted... but then again look at everything he did do... everthing he did was sick and twisted and wouldnt have gone in your campaign but it was Chris' campaign...
As I stated above that's all fine and dandy but not in a game I would run.Sith_Sgian posted:
Why instead of just outright killing him and ripping up a character sheet dont you send Janus after him?? I mean Janus from what I hear is godly and probably could take a god out... And are you telling me that if Durgen wanted to he couldnt fight a god and kill it?
First of all Janus is a character that I played for over a year and a half... we met about three times a week (every week) six to eight hours each gaming. He did become a demi-god and was extraordinarily resourceful. He traveled to various planes and had dealings with Elminster, Mordenkainen and even Strahd but he never tangled with Gods. His power was vast and he had a cult following but he was not stupid. He only showed his true power in secret and only to those whom he later killed. Legends surrounded the character grew as his reputation grew... Durgen if he went "toe-to-toe" with a God at this moment would meet a very stick end... the same with Galvas... they have accomplished amazing things but fighting Gods is still a long way down the road. Havoc lost a lot of power to take human form again... Vlad was powerful but no where near God-like... the Janus you encountered was a very watered down version of what he truly was.
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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8/8/06 9:09am
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But all of you can go have intercourse with an overweight Siren because we all know SHINDO IS THE MAAAASTERRRRR!
An ordinary man-NO.
A God-Oh Hell no.
He was--an incredible force, built from the ground up. A lowly samurai scouter in the Emperor's Clan of the Dragon....
I played him under my cousin Curry for almost a good year.
That guy went through like, every Hell you could think of.
He was impaled with drills and magic infused rods and spikes...set upon a metal wall hanging there suffering, wishing to leave the world...
But his allies saved him...and through the horrible things the Wizards that captured him did, they left their mark on him--that Symbol of Death, the symbol that they thought would never be used against them, but in the end they were all consumed by what they had made--Shindo's perception of revenge is always to the peak.
He rose above and exposed the corrupt Emperor's ways...
And through the heated final showdown, Shindo won--bloodies and cut to ribbons, he declared himself the new Emperor.......
The people gladly accepted him--not only had he proven himself the strongest...he had love for his people. This is what drove him inside, not only the madness to keep on living, but his love for his Krista.
Through his days he forged a mighty clan...
"-Had two twin daughters, and a son.
-Later in life, it was said that he travelled to the City of Union-unable to return to the world he came from; separated from his loved ones."
So you see, we all have our validations...we can bicker back and forth, or we can all say that each of our characters shine in their own unique way--and since they were ran by different DM's, compatibility would be near impossible.
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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Hahaha this is the most action this board has seen in a while! +_~
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Lodreh
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Shindo_the_Stricken posted:
So you see, we all have our validations...we can bicker back and forth, or we can all say that each of our characters shine in their own unique way--and since they were ran by different DM's, compatibility would be near impossible.
Well said... that is why I began with "...when I run an Epic game..."
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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Date Posted:
8/8/06 9:22am
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RE: D&D
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And in response to what you said--about the God(s) being able to just out right erase someone from existence--oh, come now. Show me one God from the books that can do sh__ like that.
And hey, at least when we did combat the "weakened" Gods we were a decent level....a level 1 runnin his mouth at a Deity--yeah I could see him getting an anal rollercoaster, but WE could actually put up some decent fight....
Look at their stats, man.........
The books make them seem moderately powerful, but not unbeatable.
Remember what YOU said:
"You can can try anything once."
Hahaha!
I love all of you ^__^
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Lodreh
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Shindo_the_Stricken posted:
And in response to what you said--about the God(s) being able to just out right erase someone from existence--oh, come now. Show me one God from the books that can do sh__ like that.
Easy... Core Rule Book 1... Rule 0
Shindo_the_Stricken posted:
And hey, at least when we did combat the "weakened" Gods we were a decent level....a level 1 runnin his mouth at a Deity--yeah I could see him getting an anal rollercoaster, but WE could actually put up some decent fight....
Look at their stats, man.........
The books make them seem moderately powerful, but not unbeatable.
Stats aren't everything my friend... not to mention that dieties are immune to critical hits, and all kinds of damage types... trust me when I say that going with straight rules even without Rule 0 being enforced it is unlikely that a PC under level 40 with atleast some deitic rank would survive.
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Shindo_the_Stricken
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Date Posted:
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LOL-So Kazuma could theoretically---------
Ah, who bloody cares??? lol!
Psssht, Rule 0.
Wait, where is that one?? 
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Shindo_the_Stricken posted:
I love all of you ^__^
"Evil-doer! Die, Devil, Die!!!" *Gun Shots* ~ Paster Richards, VCPR
Lol, j/k 
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