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Jango10 Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/11 11:25am Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	IC: Senator Shea Ni Shea still could not believe what those in support of this bill kept using as "support". It was both contradictory and ridiculous. To say that other Senators didn't want peace was ridiculous, as well. He stood up and addressed the Vice Chancellor: "With all due respect, Vice Chancellor Lin, I have to say that your side's arguements just aren't sticking. You have changed your reasoning many times to the point where you are contradicting yourself. First, your side said that the Hutts will cease the illegal activities because this new route will make legal trade much more profitable. That viewpoint is and was absurd, so your side stated that any spice the Hutts will send accross the trade route will be found and confiscated. So, you went from saying that the Hutts will cease all illegal spice trading, to saying that all spice that the Hutts do trade will be confiscated. I hope we agree both these cases are equally absurd." "You say the Hutts are handing us an olive branch....with one hand, maybe. And with the other they will be handing spice to every dealer from Druckenwell to Coruscant. We cannot just assume the Hutts to cease their illegal activities just because we are building them a new trade route. Would you give every murderer in Galactic City a new starship if they promise not to kill anymore? I would hope not." "Until the Hutts cease their illegal activities and prove to the Republic they are willing to cooperate, we should have no dealings with them. Kamino was not given any special treatment upon our entrance to the Republic. We had to abide by New Republic laws like every other planet, which meant shutting our cloning facilities down. They have to earn their place in the Republic, Vice Chancellor, it cannot be given to them." TAG: All -----signature----- "I love the smell of Napalm in the morning." McCain/Palin '08
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BrentusofGath Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 4/11 6:16pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session - Date Edited: 4/11 6:31pm (1 edits total) Edited By: BrentusofGath
	IC - Tak Vedis Senate chamber Ok, there was a limit to the difference between retaining honor and sacrificing your principles while the poodoo gathered up to one's shoulders. There was a fine line between making an illinformed decision to support something and remaining quiet and becoming one for the wrong side by your inaction. He'd made the mistake of not researching this bill before agreeing (hoping that by his cooperation the education reform bill would have a chance). He'd been betrayed and hung out to dry and now he was having his hands tied out of some sense of honor when his principles would be sacrificed instead. This bill could not stand. After the Senator from Kamino had spoken, Tak stood to address the Senate. "Firstly, I am not about to sacrifice my principles for any reason. I was asked to support this bill and I foolishly agreed before considering all the facts. It was my error and I shall take the fallout from changing sides at this late date - but I will not see my principles flushed down the drain by ambitious special interests wishing to make a killing off the backs of the poor and spice addicted!! "Senator Natal, the government does make profits. You said so yourself, 'when we achieve a budget surplus'. You defined profit as income surpassing the cost of operation. That's what a budget surplus is. You obviously don't know much about business. Often, a business will inject profit right back into the business, which is the equivilent of the government putting a budget surplus back into the budget. You make no sense and I suggest you get yourself a book on how to run a business. You used the word 'bankrupt' for the government having no money, Senator. It's the exact same word they use in business when they have no money. You're trying to argue against something, but making all the points that support what you're arguing against. You'd better quit while you're behind. "The purpose of Senate Resolution 2 was to expand the legality of searches. Don't misrepresent that. You're trying to say it was a humble and wonderful thing for the galaxy - it was no such thing. It would have given authorities the right to search anything and anyone they wanted. I am opposed to that, but it would be the only way your battle fleet would be able to be successful. You overestimate what law enforcement can do, Senator. Without broad, sweeping powers to search any ship they choose, if a thousand ships use your hyperlane, the authorities might - that is might be able to search ONE. What about the other four hundred or more ships passing through your hyperlane that WILL be carrying spice? Clearly, you think your battle group will be able to stop and search every single vessel that uses your hyperlane. That is not even close to accurate and you have no business speaking such a gross and irresponsible lie. "And I say to you, sir, that if you were to receive permission to search every single vesssel using your hyperlane, there wouldn't be much traffic as no one, not a legitimate or illegal business would want to use it. Yes, it's a good thing if the illegal businesses will steer clear of it, but if you want to make money on this hyperlane, you won't do it by searching every vessel. "But I say to you that permission will NOT be forthcoming to search every vessel. You WILL have to comport yourselves within the law and the law says you must have reasonable probable cause. That is very difficult to come across, ladies and gentlemen of the Senate. Very difficult to get probable cause. Many, many ships will pass right by your precious battlegroup, waving and flubbing their noses at the battlegroup. "The Hutts will absolutely exploit this new hyperlane Senator. Are you so blind by the tons of credits you stand to make that you can't see this, or are you purposely lying? I'd hate to think you are doing this deliberately, so I must assume you are ignorant. "Without the ability to search every single vessel going through your hyperlane - indeed, you won't even have the ability to search most of the vessels traveling your hyperlane, the Hutts will gain much profit from the spice trade along this route. The simple presence of Republic Naval vessels has never deterred smugglers and since they have no real claws with which to stop and search ships, the smugglers will feel secure that no pirates will attack their ships as they pass right by the Republic Navy, cargo holds loaded with spice to make the Hutts fatter - so to speak. "You assume much, Senator. Every Repubic Navy vessel is equally likely to catch them. Wow. You know, it brings a tear to my eye. But then, I realize, if our Navy were so efficient, there wouldn't be a spice trade at all! I guess they don't do as well as you think. Are our good officers of the Navy magicians? Are the mind readers? Can they submit 'gut feelings' as evidence in court to justify a search with no hard evidence? Absolutely NOT! Our fine officers will be just as handicapped along your route as they are along the borders with Hutt space that are so porous now with smugglers. The only difference is that with this hyperlane, they will have immediate access to the Core. "What's with all these impressive numbers, Senator? five hundred percent more likely to be caught? What does that mean? If one Naval ship has no probable cause to search, and five ships have no probable cause for search, where is it more likely? Five hundred times zero is still zero, Senator. Perhaps a refresher course in mathematics will help? If there's no probable cause, a billion ships would have no better chance than one. "Patrol all you like, Senator, for without probable cause to search a vessel, al you will be doingis preventing outright priracy. That is of course a good thing, but it won't stop five percent of the spice trafficking because the navy does not have broad sweeping powers to stop ships arbitrarily, nor would I ever vote for such a bill. "You say Hutt families actively compete with one another. This is true. And look at how successful they already are. What you are giving them, with free, quick access to the Core, will be the chance to unite their families into one massive criminal organization that will fill our streets so full of spice here on Coruscant and a hundred other worlds, that we will be up to our armpits in the stuff. Things being the way they are, we can somewhat limit what they import - if not totally effectively - and they have no impetus to integrate their activities together. Give them this hyperlane, and they will be able to increase their profits a hundred fold and then they will see advantage in linking with each other to share the hyperlane. "Is this what we wish to inflict on the poor of the Republic. You rich out there will be able to shelter yourselves from the crime and slaving and al the negative impacts of this hyperlane, but the poor will not. They will suffer far more than are now and many more will become addicted to spice because of course now that their expenses will be cut, the Hutts will be able to lower the price of spice and addict more people and still make a disgustingly large profit. "Vice Chancellor: I am surprised at you for saying the entire Republic will get richer for this. The poor will not gain anything but added hardships, sir, for the reasons I have just outlined. You can continue to deny my logic with your illogic, but the poor understand what this bill will mean. You know, maybe if they take a job as a spice smuggler, they can increase their income. Maybe that's what you meant, Vice Chancellor. "The so called 'benefits' of Hutt space have already been pointed out by you and Senator Natal: slavery, spice trade and other illegal activities. We already have those, in smaller numbers. Do we want to unleash more on our poor, just to make a few credits? What am I saying, of course the rich want to get richer and have no concern whatever about the poor. That's always the driving force of the rich - to get richer by nay means possible no matter the impact on the poor. "Hmm. 'The Hutt's will bring these threats into Republic space anyway. You can't stop them.' Interesting, Vice Chancellor. As I recall, when we were debating the Spice control act, I brought up something similar, in the interest of not restricting the movements of law abiding citizens with the illegality of random searches implied in that act. Something Senator Rastor said to me occurs to me here with your statement, Vice Chancellor. So, instead of continuing to enforce the laws we have and trying to come up with new ways to prevent spice trafficking, let's just give up and give the criminal element quick, easy access to the Core! Brilliant sir! I'll buy you a cigar in Hell. "I love your reasoning, sir, that Hutt space is hostile territory, but so are the Unknown Regions. Another piece of brilliance. The Unknown Regions are just that - unknown. We do know very well what dangers the come from Hutt space. Your reasoning is flawed, Vice Chancellor. "Peace is a great ideal to strive for, Vice Chancellor, and I applaud you for it. But as Senator Natal already pointed out in the past, worlds like Ryloth that are not part of Hutt space already engage heavily in the slave trade and as Senator Rastor pointed out in the spice debate, many world already within the New Republic engage in the illegal spice trade. Why would we want to open ourselves up to so much more crime, entirely in good faith in the name of peace? Sith down at the negotiating table with the Hutts and talk about peace there, don't invite them into our homes until they've demonstrated through their actions, rather than their words, that they do want peace and to follow our laws. Accepting their word without any affirmative actions and in light of their past history since the beginnings of recorded time seems foolhardy to me. "So because a few poor folks get sold into slavery within our own borders that's not really an issue, Vice Chancellor? Because 'we're not being submerged in slavery.' Is that what you're telling us? "Vice Chancellor, this senate did not agree to allow spice to flow into our territory. First of all, it is already here. Secondly, we did not allow individual freedoms of law abiding citizens to be whittled away in the interests of trying to stop the spice trade. There is a huge difference there, sir. To insinuate that any of us likes the spice trade is insulting to this body, sir. "Vice Chancellor, why are you laboring under the false notion that once the Hutts get into the mainstream galactic situation, as you put it, they will suddenly give up crime? People only give up crime when it is no longer profitable. Greed is the main motivator of ninety nine percent of all sentients, Vice Chancellor, and the Hutts can see the benefit of this hyperlane as they drool over the credits they see themselves making. For thousands of years in the Old Republic and before it, the Hutts were major players in the galaxy, even though they never contructed an empire, and they have been criminals and gangsters for over twenty thousand years because crime has been very profitable for them. They aren't about to suddenly give it up, especially not when they stand to gain so much more wealth from it! "You talk about the battlegroup, sounding like a parrot of Senator Natal. Tell us, exactly how the battlegroup will do this without the power to of random search and seizure? Many of you here have accused me in the past of offering grand promises without hard evidence, now I demand the same thing of you, sir. If my word cannot be taken, then yours is no good either, sir. State facts, not empty rhetoric or do not stand up for this bill again!! "About these other 'countless resources in Hutt space', these 'numerous species.' If they want our freedom, let them immigrate to the Republic and follow our laws. Pretty simple actually. If we get evidence that the Hutts are violently and physically forcing people to stay, then we can intervene. "You speak of lesser evils, sir. There is only one evil the poor will see - and that is if this bill passes. They will see a dramatic rise in crime and spice. Ignore me if you wish, the poor know this as fact and in time, should this bill pass, it will be shown. But of course, you only really care how this will affect your pocketbook. And you as well, Senator Natal. Big business lining your pockets to vote for this, Natal? You accused me of something similar, the sword cuts both ways. "None of you in support of this bill has said anything by way of facts, hard evidence to make us believe that your precious battlegroup will do anything except float in space and watch as spice smugglers fly by. There are no laws to allow random searches, nor would I vote for them. Your fleet will have no teeth and the quick, easy access to the Core will have every smuggler in the galaxy eagerly making run after run." Tak sat down, breathing a heavy sigh of relief. Well, he went back on his word, but he didn't sacrifice his principles in remaining silent while this miscarriage of justice continued. The poor would have their voices heard, regardless of what it did to Tak's reputation. And in the future, he would look very carefully at any proposal from any senator before lending his support to a bill. 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Yuul_Shamar Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/11 7:03pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: that must have been the largest debate post in the history of this game. IC: Azervado Renning Azervado turned his head suddenly to the Naboo pod as his friend spoke up at last, and what a speech and rebuttle it was. Azervado listened closely to the man's speech, surely this would be the end of those for the bill, or at least the start of the end. All Azervado could do was stand, and clap slowly but steadyily, the sound echoing about the chamber. Tag: All -----signature----- "Your power over others only relates to those who fear you. Look into my eyes, fool, and see no fear."-Darth Shadra, in response to the dread lord Delano Most Eager Newbie - Spring RPF awards 2008 Most Eager GSE Player! Sith Lord! Watch out! John 3:16
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Jabba-wocky Registered: May '03	Date Posted: 4/11 8:59pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: Spot of free time, after all. IC: Senator Jarath Natal of Nubia Senate Chamber Jarath looked up from his desk at the sound of a lone Senator clapping. There was brief, staggered smattering that followed, as the other partisans followed suit, but mostly the chamber hung silent, indifferent, as always, to any speaker. Jarath, though, put down his pens. His aides were between runs to the library. He scanned over the transcript of the last speech. Then, without bothering to look up, or stand, he flipped on his microphone and said: “You said, Senator ‘things being as they are.’ What way is that exactly? Let’s take a look, based on your statements.” “According to you, we will have the ability to search, optimistically, one of every 400 ships carrying spice. This, as you have explained, is the state of the law in the New Republic. At best, then, we catch one quarter of one percent (.25%) of all the spice shipped by the Hutts. Restated, 99.75% of all the spice the Hutts ever attempt to sell reaches its destination safely, according to you. Further, you have explained, there is no difference between having an entire battlegroup patrolling the region, and the current situation where patrol of the border is minimal, if present at all. In your own words, the New Republic Navy has ‘no real claws’ and has, further ‘never deterred smugglers.’ If all these claims are true, the Hutts are within rounding error of being 100% successful in the spice trade. “If you believe this, there is no reason for you to vote against this bill. If they are 100% successful, they cannot possibly be any more successful in any meaningful sense. This hyperlane will only speed up delivery, not change the amount of business they receive or their total number of customers. If basically every attempt they ever make, even half-heartedly, at smuggling, is wildly successful, then they have already achieved complete market saturation. You have nothing to worry about, because your supposed worst nightmares are already here, Senator. A quarter of a percent rise in success is not, nor will it ever be ‘a dramatic rise.’ So then, either one of two things are true. Option one, you have used gross, disgusting hyperbole, that is so obviously a lie that even a child could see it. Option two, you are right, the New Republic Navy is completely worthless, and the Hutts already enjoy complete success in any criminal venture their heart desires. Which is it?” “Impassioned thought it may be, a rant is no substitute for a reasoned analysis. That will be all.” The device clicked off again. Every word was delivered in a flat, disinterested, almost bored tone. His aides were back with committee hearings on government funded bacterial cell lines, early Imperial Era. Just after the Clone Wars. Meh. TAG: Anyone -----signature----- ays Darius the king: 8 of my family (there were) who were formerly kings; I am the ninth (9); long aforetime we are kings. All Hail His Excellency, Barack Obama Roma vincit Tearing Up a Lane (TERRIN UP A LAAAANE!!!)
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Ktala Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/11 9:03pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	Nava Kree Senate Chambers, Senate Building Nava turned to look once more towards The Vice Chancellor, as he addressed her directly now. "Senator Kree, if I may start with your learned statements first. The rich will get 'richer' yes, I can't deny that. But so will the entire Republic. Some worlds will benefit more than others, yes, but the Republic as a whole will see the benefits of Hutt Space joining the Republic. The Hutt's will bring these threats into Republic space anyway. You can't stop them. But, my method gives us the chance to integrate them, to allow us to police the main hyperlane out of Hutt Space. The freedom to travel is not physical, it's an ideal. The right to travel to Hutt Space with the NR at your back." Nava sighed, as she listed to the rest. "Yes, it's hostile territory. But so is the Unknown Regions. That hasn't stopped us. If you want to be able to touch these issues - slavery, Hutt empires, illegal trade - then we need this. There won't be pirates popping up over the Core if there is peace. There are dens of villainy within Republic space, and we're not being submerged in slavery. Keeping the Hutt's at arms length isn't going to solve anything." He paused once more, before continuing. "This Senate agreed to allow spice to flow in our territory. Accept that fact, please, Senator. Refusing to accept the Hutts olive branch will see them and the Remnant concerned with us. Sure, we'll have a few skirmishes up and down the new hyperlane - no more than the skirmishes we have up and down the Run every few years, and the Corellian separatist movement popping up with Hutt or Black Sun support, and the superweapon being constructed every now and then - unless the Hutt's integrate. Don't do this, Kree, please. The Hutt's are here, at the table. Right now. In a few years, they could be siding with a minor separatist group, in a few years, they could be rolling out a new superweapon from a radical group. And why should the Hutt's do anything to keep an eye on these groups? Black Sun, Death Watch?" Traer looked at her, his eyes pleading. Nava's ears stayed flat. She still was waiting to hear something, not yet mentioned. "Renning, Kree, I'm pushing for peace. I believe in a peace that includes the Hutts. And I will argue it on and on. I beseech you to raise your arguments, but the Hutts are the most powerful entity in the galaxy besides us. We stand near an edge. Walk away from it with me." She stood, smoothing out her words. She spoke softly, with a gentle voice. "AN eloquent and heartfelt speech of peace, indeed Vice Chancellor. But no one has YET to answer my one question. WHY must the Hutts be afford the expense, and territory on an entire shipping lane, with direct stops to key planets, ending up at the Core worlds? If PEACE, was the only commitment to this bill, then again I ask, why cant we simply extend a junction down from an already existing route? It would be far less expensive, and it would STILL give them the access they need to expand themselves. Why is there a push to give them what LOOKS LIKE preferential treatment? And a much shorter route would be something much more easily funded." Nava sat back down, and waited. TAG: Senate -----signature----- Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light!! Earth: The insane asylum for the universe. Cheap core bombs...only used once. ... ...getting back to work...slowly...
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 4/12 3:09pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	Senator Donnoc The lepi was truly astounded by the length and duration of Senator Vedis's speech, and was tempted to send Gwen down with a glass of water, but, starting to recognise his concerns for her safety, that Chaygte had been the first to alert him to, he was having growing suspicions about the Naboo's droid companion, and decided to keep her clear of the pair. Kree's idea about an offshoot from an existing hyperlane to appease the Hutts intrigued him, and he typed a quick missive off to the Chancellor, afterwards giving her a cheeky wave across the chamber. He really did not like having worries about pirates determining policy that was initially aimed at legitimate socio-political or commercial concerns; influencing them, sure; but certainly not determining them. A hyperlane was an ambitious project, he knew everyone would agree. But to cancel it over worries about spice shipments and other illegal activities was just nonsense! Ah, frag it. He stood up. "Wow, Senator Vedis could talk the hind legs of a Reek, and I'm sure that would be a holo-moment! And I should thank Senator Kree for her ideas for other options. Inspired. A hyperlane is an ambitious, long-term and terribly expensive project, I know everyone will agree. But to cancel it over worries about spice shipments and other illegal activities is just nonsense!" He sat again. Tag: all -----signature----- The Detective Jawa did a double take, spying Yubari. She smelt human, but wore enough armour to trigger his instinctive love of metal. Unable to resist, he crooked an index finger at her. "Houtini," he rumbled seductively. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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Sinrebirth Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/12 3:12pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: Phew, this is a long one. Good fun, guys! IC: Vice Chancellor Traer Lin Assaulted from four directions, now, the Vice Chancellor was glad that a few Senators were still around to speak up. The majority seemed content to sit and watch. The Talaani composed himself. "I believe the Senator of Nubia has commented sufficiently on the filibuster from the Senator of Naboo, whom seems to be unhappy I didn't vote for his Bill, more than anything." Traer Lin huffed. It was a cheap shot across the bow. Because, after listening to that litany, he was determined not to say a word more than he need do. "And I'm not content to invent numbers, either." "I shall thus move onto Senator Kree, of course. Senator, here is the question. 'Why must the Hutts be afforded the expense, and territory on an entire shipping lane, with direct stops to key planets, ending up at the Core worlds?'. My answer is this, to the territory aspect, first. We gain the territory to enter Hutt Space, as well, and the ability to access Nal Hutta. Taxes will now flow from the Route, as a NR route, which will finance it, equally. There is less expense inherent, thus." "To the 'why', though. I'm not seeking preferential treatment, not at all. But I believe, fundamentally, a smaller expansion, when we have tabled this motion, would look like the Senate deciding that they, too, are planning to offer the Hutt's an olive branch with one hand. Or, worse, a few fingers gripping the end of it." The Vice Chancellor considered, silently. "But the fact remains clear - we are coming at this one-handed. There is a large battlegroup between the Hutts and the Core. And the key planets and their own defenses, if they seek to be particularly proactive. Hutt smugglers traverse up and down the Run daily, as has been suggested. I don't see idyllic Tynna devastated, here. Corellia copes, as the endpoint, as well. Abregado-Rae, if I may be forgiven, has less going for it than Corellia, and Corellia has more than Talaan or Druckenwell and it's not been submerged over the years." Traer shrugged. "To Senator Ni - would I give a speeder to a criminal? No. But we're not. I'm handing a hydrospanner. Which can be used to build, or hit someone over the head. Built into that hydrospanner is a safety module which shocks the user when it detects aggression - a NR battlegroup. Not making fair and progressive requests of the Hutt's isn't in leaving the criminal on the streets, in the underworld. We can hand them this hydrospanner, to give them a chance to be constructive, or not." TAG: Senate -----signature----- Sey's Sinre The First Canon Apologist The Missing Chapters of LotF: Invincible http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28933751&brd=10477&replies=10 Chapter 4.5 is up! Now Featuring: Niathal, Daala, Syal, Wedge, Winter & Tycho!
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Yuul_Shamar Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/12 4:08pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	IC: Azervado Renning Several of those for the bill stood up but the one Azervado locked his eyes onto was that of the Senator Donnoc, first at least. "Wow, Senator Vedis could talk the hind legs of a Reek, and I'm sure that would be a holo-moment! And I should thank Senator Kree for her ideas for other options. Inspired. A hyperlane is an ambitious, long-term and terribly expensive project, I know everyone will agree. But to cancel it over worries about spice shipments and other illegal activities is just nonsense!" "What's nonsense is choosing money over the people! Especially when you are choosing to condemn them to the suffering the spice trade inflicts, addictions, poverty, even sometimes resulting in slavery. Oh but that doesn't bother you, your not the one that will have to deal with it, after all its the other people's problems." "What's nonsense is ruining others lives just to make more money for those already that have plenty. What's nonsense is ruining planet's enviroments to make the money. What's nonsense is ruining other world's economies to boost others. WHAT'S NONSENSE IS THINKING THIS BILL IS WORTHWHILE WITH ALL THIS NEGATIVE SITHSPAWN THIS BILL WOULD HEAP ON OTHER WORLDS AND THE PEOPLE THAT INHABIT THEM SENATOR DONNOC!" Tag: all -----signature----- "Your power over others only relates to those who fear you. Look into my eyes, fool, and see no fear."-Darth Shadra, in response to the dread lord Delano Most Eager Newbie - Spring RPF awards 2008 Most Eager GSE Player! Sith Lord! Watch out! John 3:16
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Sinrebirth Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/12 6:01pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	IC: Vice Chancellor Traer Lin Senator Donnoc could fight his own battles with a flare for wit, but Traer simply couldn't let this one go. He snapped back. "You're at the very end of the Rimma Trade Route Senator Renning! For Force's sake calm down and stop playing the injured party. Tallaan is actually on this hyperlane, and is going to be the 'distribution centre' for this spice marauders! We're not screaming about 'me, me, me!' though like you! So start acting like your commission. With dignity." He quickly popped off a message to Donnoc. Senator Donnoc, apologies, I simply had to comment on that one. Yours, Vice Chancellor Traer Lin. TAG: Yuul_Shamar, Sith-I-5 -----signature----- Sey's Sinre The First Canon Apologist The Missing Chapters of LotF: Invincible http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28933751&brd=10477&replies=10 Chapter 4.5 is up! Now Featuring: Niathal, Daala, Syal, Wedge, Winter & Tycho!
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Yuul_Shamar Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/12 6:27pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	IC: Azervado Renning "You're at the very end of the Rimma Trade Route Senator Renning! For Force's sake calm down and stop playing the injured party. Tallaan is actually on this hyperlane, and is going to be the 'distribution centre' for this spice marauders! We're not screaming about 'me, me, me!' though like you! So start acting like your commission. With dignity." Azervado had a shocked expression that hardened at Traer Lin. "I'm not screaming about me me me Senator! I'm screaming WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE! And your own words and actions state you DO NOT care for your own people OR YOU WOULD NOT BE BRINGING THIS TERROR DOWN ON THEM! YOUR OWN PEOPLE! Who you would condemn merely to make a pretty penny. Throughout this entire debate, I have not been focused on myself but the people, and the worlds your bill, nay your trash will negatively affect! If the true purpose of this bill was peace with the hutts then get them to conform to the laws like EVERYONE ELSE! Or you could stop pretending that that is what this is about and admit that you want to make your world richer at the cost to others!" "Senator Lin I hope your people just heard what you said, not caring in the slightest how this will affect the poor and lower middle class citezins on your planet, that you have just proved they matter not in your plans! You sir disgust me!" Tag: All -----signature----- "Your power over others only relates to those who fear you. Look into my eyes, fool, and see no fear."-Darth Shadra, in response to the dread lord Delano Most Eager Newbie - Spring RPF awards 2008 Most Eager GSE Player! Sith Lord! Watch out! John 3:16
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BrentusofGath Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 4/12 6:56pm Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: Hey Sin, "Because, after listening to that litany, he was determined not to say a word more than he need do." Smart. IC - Tak Vedis "I would like to call attention to the fact, dear senators, that so far not one shred of hard evidence has been given as to exactly what the brainchild - the battle fleet that will bring in many credits to the worlds of the authors of this bill, by the way - of the bill writer's will actually do besides float in space making faces at the passing smugglers. "You talk a good talk gentlemen; you cajole and rile and insult and joke with the best of them, but you do not make one good point for your side. "We stand at the threshold here of something that will severely impact the lives of your constituents. True, some of your constituents will increase their wealth. Are those the only people who voted for you, Senators and Vice Chancellor? I think, in order to appease the big money people, you didn't look hard enough at the impact this bill will have on the poor of your worlds and a dozen more. Naboo sits on no major hyperlanes or trade routes and we have gotten by just fine, thank you very much. Our wealthy citizens do well on their own. We have some small level of spice addiction like most other worlds. But it is small. "It is small because of two reasons: the Hutts don't have as much access to Naboo, nor do they have as much interest in our world as they do the Core. Their interest in the Core is easy to show by all the smuggling runs from Correlia and surrounding systems to the Core. Until now, the Hutts have had the interest in the Core, but not quick, easy access. This is what you intend to hand them on a silver platter? All so your wealthy constituents can increase their wealth. "No, Senator Donnoc, it is not nonsense to want to cancel this hyperlane because of smuggling. It is nonsense to believe that it is better to help rich of your world - for political favors - than it is to help the poor. "If none of you for the bill will be so brazen as to offer us any actual facts as to how this battlegroup will stop smugglers - considering they do not have the ability of random search and seizure - then by voting for it, you are putting yourselves with the wealthy of your planets, you are putting yourselves with the Hutts and the illegal activities they engage in, and you are setting yourselves above the vast majority of your citizens who put you into office in the first place! I would suggest that all those undecided take a good long look at their lack of facts and use simple logic to see that we in the opposition are indeed correct and this bill will very negatively impact the poor of many worlds." Tak sat back down again, grasping a glass of water. "Statement: It saddens me that the crazy rabbit's girl looks so frazzled and alone. Comment: I really would like to fry her synapses, Master." Hmph, if Donnoc keeps up his irrational behavior, Tak thought as he drank the water, I just might get me a lucky rabbit's foot. He almost choked on his water with a laugh. Tag: Any -----signature----- In time or so I'm told, I'm just another soul for sale, oh well Feel it in my bones when you break my back, break it just to watch me bend Why'd you have to go and Let it Die? -Foo Fighters http://conscienceoftheking.blogspot.com/
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Ktala Registered: Sep '02	Date Posted: 4/13 12:58am Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session - Date Edited: 4/13 12:58am (1 edits total) Edited By: Ktala
	Nava Kree Senate Chambers, Senate Building As Nava sat behind her screens, listening carefully, the Vice Chancellor stood up once more. She wondered if his seat in office had warped his focal point. She barely held back a sigh, as she heard him mention her name. "I shall thus move onto Senator Kree, of course. Senator, here is the question. 'Why must the Hutts be afforded the expense, and territory on an entire shipping lane, with direct stops to key planets, ending up at the Core worlds?'. My answer is this, to the territory aspect, first. We gain the territory to enter Hutt Space, as well, and the ability to access Nal Hutta. Taxes will now flow from the Route, as a NR route, which will finance it, equally. There is less expense inherent, thus." "To the 'why', though. I'm not seeking preferential treatment, not at all. But I believe, fundamentally, a smaller expansion, when we have tabled this motion, would look like the Senate deciding that they, too, are planning to offer the Hutt's an olive branch with one hand. Or, worse, a few fingers gripping the end of it." The Vice Chancellor paused for a moment silent. "But the fact remains clear - we are coming at this one-handed. There is a large battlegroup between the Hutts and the Core. And the key planets and their own defenses, if they seek to be particularly proactive. Hutt smugglers traverse up and down the Run daily, as has been suggested. I don't see idyllic Tynna devastated, here. Corellia copes, as the endpoint, as well. Abregado-Rae, if I may be forgiven, has less going for it than Corellia, and Corellia has more than Talaan or Druckenwell and it's not been submerged over the years." She sat quiet a moment, her ears slowly working as he addressed another Senator. She then stood up. She gave a deep sigh, before she began once more. "So..Vice Chancellor, what you say, is that because of PROMISE of credits and supposed TAXES we will receive from them, we should afford them the Expense, and the territory on an entire shipping lane..with key stops? Really? And we will gain territory to enter Hutt space? Are you SURE? Since each Hutt run seperate parts, one might say yes..one say no. Why listen to YOU? They are suddenly going to pay taxes now? According to several of you, they are not well off, because of a LACK of such a thing. And for some unknown reason, a simple entrance to a major travel route just wont do? It will takes YEARS for the benefits to pay off the cost." Nava slamed her fist down on her podium. "And yet AGAIN, you keep mentioning the battlegroup between the Hutts and the Core..and yet on the SAME hand, you talk about how your worried about how it looks if we offer a smaller expansion, as you say, 'like we are offering a olive branch with one hand..or a few fingers gripped tightly to the end of it??' as you put it. Using YOUR words and symbols, what we're offering them NOW is a big fragging olive TREE TRUNK to them in one hand, and a full blown battle armada pointed in their face, in the other. How is THAT supposed to be better??" "At least with smaller expansion, you have no need to post massive battlegroup there. I know if someone offered MY people something, but then added the fact that a battlegroup needed to be there, it not be good words that would follow." "You would be seen as a hypocrite at best...and few more things a lot worse." Nava sat back down, disgusted. TAG: Everyone in Senate -----signature----- Blessed are the cracked, for they let in the light!! Earth: The insane asylum for the universe. Cheap core bombs...only used once. ... ...getting back to work...slowly...
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Saintheart Title: Manager and Wandering Swordsman of the RPF Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 4/13 3:17am Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: refills bag of popcorn In-session Senate debates are getting consistently good. -----signature----- Michelle: my Italian queen, my angel, my reason, my wife. Jessica: my little princess, my daughter, born 10 August 2007 Director -- Star Wars: Knighthood
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Imperial_Hammer Title: Manager: • SWRPF • NSWRPF • RPR Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 4/13 8:56am Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	GM's OOC: Yes, this is a long one Mr. Sinre. Why stop a good thing I figured. But all good things must come to an end, and votes for this resolution will probably begin either tonight or tomorrow. Then we'll fire up SR 6. Happy debating! -I_H -----signature----- Guildmaster of the GDG Now looking for a new RPF Adoptee NaboosPrincess The Jedi Way is something found within, not in the dead walls of any Order
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Sinrebirth Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 4/13 9:33am Subject: RE: The Galactic Senate RPG - Currently in Session
	OOC: Bah! End this as soon as possible, Hammer, I'm running out of arguments. I'd have gotten away with it if not for those pesky Senators! And, BrentusofGath, glad you liked that. IC: Traer Lin "Senator Lin I hope your people just heard what you said, not caring in the slightest how this will affect the poor and lower middle class citezins on your planet, that you have just proved they matter not in your plans! You sir disgust me!" The Vice Chancellor scowled at the Abregado-Rae seat. "Disgust? I'm simply doing what I'm told to. It just so happens I agree with my people. I've spoken to the Lords of Tallaan, and the people of Tallaan elected me to fulfill this role. They want this hyperlane, and I'm handing it to them. I've made sure it's the safest option available, thus a battlegroup." Traer turned to the seat of Naboo. "I believe that answers your point too, Senator. My population wants this hyperlane. The Hutt's want this hyperlane. Everyone on it is for the hyperlane. Sure, you'll argue, that is obvious, but I'll highlight this point - even with the danger, these worlds are still pushing for this. It's the best chance to integrate the Hutts, and secure a Republic more complete than even the Old one. The battle group provides us with insurance." "What are we going to do with it? The Bill has it; ...the force will be deployed up and down the Route, to ensure that trade is being enacted legally and without interference. The fleets objective will be to ensure the legality and prevent Hutts from misusing it." Vice Chancellor Lin looked at Senator Kree, and scowled. This was becoming repetitive. "Yes, it's a 'trunk'. But mitigated by said battlegroup. Thus, a branch. Limiting it to an extension - which, may I add you haven't actually specified as to the where this minor expansion would occur - would thus make it a pointless gesture. Sending a battle group to a minor extension. Well, there's out faith in diplomacy on display! "And the Bill answers the rest. The battle group will seek to keep trade legal and 'without interference'. The hyperlane isn't going to become some Hutts dominion. It'll remain a NR hyperlane." TAG: The Triumvirate of EEEEvil Senators, and anyone else who fancies a shot at me -----signature----- Sey's Sinre The First Canon Apologist The Missing Chapters of LotF: Invincible http://boards.theforce.net/Message.aspx?topic=28933751&brd=10477&replies=10 Chapter 4.5 is up! Now Featuring: Niathal, Daala, Syal, Wedge, Winter & Tycho!
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