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nancyallen Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 10/1/08 5:58pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	I dunno, some people do very much get their noses out of joint about it. That might be dependant on the way it's handled, or it might be just the reaction to Ashley in Mass Effect. Either way this is a topic where you have to be very careful, as people can and do get outraged regardless of which way you portray it. -----signature----- There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your science. http://www.tektonics.org/af/fundyath.html
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Imperial_Hammer Title: Manager: • SWRPF • NSWRPF • RPR Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 10/1/08 6:27pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild - Date Edited: 10/1/08 6:30pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Imperial_Hammer
	Hello NancyAllen! I think you'll find the people here to be much less militantly opinionated than in the Senate forum. This is because we're here to work and write on RPGs, not discuss things like religion and politics and etc. In fact, I tend to send serious debates on these things back over to the Senate. Please enjoy your stay here, and feel free to explore and create religious RPGs. However, as was stated, please do not confuse critiques on RPGs with critiques about the ideas in your RPGs. The former is usually technical and related to writing and gameplay, such as Lightwarden's post. The latter is usually ideological, heated, and debatable. I assure you Saintheart and myself are equal-opportunity moderators. As long as ideas are treated respectfully, we don't care what they are. Keep the peace, role play, and all will be well. For future posts in this thread and others, please keep the discussion of religion and the like tethered to the science and art of role-playing. Attempts to inspire more serious debates (even in social threads) will be stopped and referred back to the Senate. Thanks, and I hope you have a lot of fun here! -I_H -----signature----- Guildmaster of the GDG Now looking for a new RPF Adoptee The Jedi Way is something found within, not in the dead walls of any Order
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Saintheart Title: Manager and Wandering Swordsman of the RPF Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 10/1/08 6:41pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	Just dropping in here to back my fellow mod on every point he's made. RPGs here will be scrutinised for how well they would work (or do work) as games, rather than scrutinised for their subject matter per se (This is not to say you could create a RPG whose subject matter was against the TOS, but that's a whole other analysis, and not what we do here.) For what it's worth, nancy I regard your most recent concept for a game as an interesting one. Care to put together a prospective first post and put it up here for feedback? -----signature----- Michelle: my Italian queen, my angel, my reason, my wife. Jessica: my little princess, my daughter, born 10 August 2007 Director -- Star Wars: Knighthood
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nancyallen Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 10/1/08 7:04pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	Certainly. I have a few ideas about this one, but one of the things I was thinking was what day it would take place on. Pre Day 1 for example we could have Senator Palmer, pre Presidential canidacy, Jack's domestic situation, ect. Post Day 3 we would be looking at the aftermath of the attack, Ryan, Chase, and Jack's frame of mind over his actions. I also want to see what other ideas might be brought in...without dropping any spoilers what elements of Hunt for Red October or Metal Gear could be brought (not putting them into 24, but having a plot element, the bad guy turning out to be good just to give an example, that's an idea I want to play around with). I will put up a tentative introductary post to introduce some of the story threads I want to use, including ones I haven't brought up yet. We can discuss exactly when to have it set later. My final comments on religion. The question was asked. I gave what I considered an honest answer. If people can handle the issue of religion then great. If they get upset over a character mentioning God, then...well, is the problem with them or with the story? I don't know I have an answer to that. In all fairness though me (and 24 for that matter) using the Chinese as antagonists would upset people, the same as people were upset about Islamists being the enemy or the use of torture. I think the best advice I can give is to be very careful about how you implement an idea. -----signature----- There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your science. http://www.tektonics.org/af/fundyath.html
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Penguinator-176 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/2/08 11:33am Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	I'd say that as long as distinction is made between Muslims and Islamists, people would have no real reason to complain. Unless they're so blind as to assume that the entire Islamic world is filled with nutjobs declaring Jihad on the West... -----signature----- "Good god, Peng's a mentat!" ~darthramza "In a world of hurting, I'm moving on." "Dear Mr. Queequeeg, you have been informed your life's been saved." GDG
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/2/08 1:36pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	nancyallen, if you are worried that having a RL race or religion as the antagonist would be disagreeable, you could follow the example of the Command & Conquer games, or the 007 film franchise, and have a fictional multinational organisation as the bad guys, like S.P.E.C.T.R.E. the (cue fanboy moment) Special Executive for Counter Intelligence, Terrorism, Revenge and Extortion. -----signature----- Crowning Moment of Awesome – THE MASTER. Summoning six billion robotic beach balls Of Doom to decimate the Earth, blowing a good-bye kiss to the Doctor, all the while dancing to "Voodoo Child". EPIC. EVIL. WIN. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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nancyallen Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 10/2/08 1:55pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	It's less about being concerned about offending them and more a case of it being worth saying how there will be those who will be offended at the portrayal even when they are shown in a sympathetic light (the blame for terrorism being placed on innocent Muslims for example). -----signature----- There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your science. http://www.tektonics.org/af/fundyath.html
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Penguinator-176 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/2/08 2:20pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	If you're so worried about offending people, don't do it. It's that simple. The fact that you're worried about offending people shows that you're not entirely comfortable with it yourself, which means you should probably find other subject matter to discuss. If you still want to do a 24 game, you could focus it on Internal Affairs, a mole, double agents, arms dealers, kidnappings, etc. -----signature----- "Good god, Peng's a mentat!" ~darthramza "In a world of hurting, I'm moving on." "Dear Mr. Queequeeg, you have been informed your life's been saved." GDG
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nancyallen Registered: Nov '07	Date Posted: 10/2/08 2:38pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	No I'm happy to use 24 and the Chinese. My point is if anyone were to focus on a particular to do it delicately. Even though Iraq wasn't mentioned that's what Day 2 was about, and done well. Kang and Kudos on the other hand were a bit blatant. -----signature----- There are more things in Heaven and Earth than are dreamt of in your science. http://www.tektonics.org/af/fundyath.html
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Hero_Of_The_Force Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 10/2/08 8:42pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	Hero_Of_The_Force posted: Hi Everyone. I've joined two RPGs, and I've liked them so far. I'm currently in the planning and progress of my new RPG. And its in effect! -----signature----- ~HOTF Adopted by my master, Jedi_Killeroak. RPG, FF, NJT, WNB. No Forum Feud
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/3/08 5:22am Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	Hi Hero, helcome... I mean, Welcome. -----signature----- Crowning Moment of Awesome – THE MASTER. Summoning six billion robotic beach balls Of Doom to decimate the Earth, blowing a good-bye kiss to the Doctor, all the while dancing to "Voodoo Child". EPIC. EVIL. WIN. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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Hero_Of_The_Force Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 10/3/08 8:05am Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	Thank you -----signature----- ~HOTF Adopted by my master, Jedi_Killeroak. RPG, FF, NJT, WNB. No Forum Feud
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Hero_Of_The_Force Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 10/4/08 4:15pm Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	No one here intrested? -----signature----- ~HOTF Adopted by my master, Jedi_Killeroak. RPG, FF, NJT, WNB. No Forum Feud
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 10/5/08 9:30am Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	In what? -----signature----- Crowning Moment of Awesome – THE MASTER. Summoning six billion robotic beach balls Of Doom to decimate the Earth, blowing a good-bye kiss to the Doctor, all the while dancing to "Voodoo Child". EPIC. EVIL. WIN. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 10/5/08 10:00am Subject: RE: The Game Designers Guild
	This, I assume. -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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