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NickLitYouAFlame Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 11/27/07 5:34pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	I don't think that he means the character needs to be average or mediocre. But, even a super-genius or nearly all powerful being has dreams, and hopes and wishes. But you have to be able to express all of the complexity of human, or even alien, emotions in the way a functioning human would. Recreating that balance of emotion is difficult, even more so when you think about the different species involved with Star Wars. -----signature----- I love Matt's "As Father And Son." I've written my best in that game.
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Kev-Mas_Colcha Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 11/27/07 5:41pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	NickLitYouAFlame posted: I don't think that he means the character needs to be average or mediocre. But, even a super-genius or nearly all powerful being has dreams, and hopes and wishes. But you have to be able to express all of the complexity of human, or even alien, emotions in the way a functioning human would. Recreating that balance of emotion is difficult, even more so when you think about the different species involved with Star Wars. If that's the case, then I agree. -----signature----- Kage Umbris of the Templars of Twilight (as Kev-Mas Colcha) Jedi Master of the Jedi Order (as Kexx Mazinn) http://links.kevmascolcha.twilightmainframe.net/ Colcha/Mikaru '08
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 11/30/07 10:02am Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	I would question Lightwarden’s insistence that the SW universe is solely metric. I realise that living in Britain, it is wholly possible that publishers of SW books may have made measurements Imperial for our consumption, the same way we didn’t get a robot called Bollux in Brian Daley’s Han Solo Trilogy, because of regional, um, biological connotations. My point is that it was many years before I encountered metric measurements in SW. They were based around the Star Destroyers, and the sources I had – note the plural – were identifying ISDs as a mile long, and SSDs as eight miles(?), long before they started giving the equivalent in kilometres. I have been a fan since 1977, and I would say that it wasn’t until 1984, when Raymond L. Velasco did his Guide to the Star Wars Universe, that metric information started to be published for SW-related matters. I would surmise that as LW came into the fandom relatively late, he may have only encountered metric and that is where his false assumption is coming from. -----signature----- The Detective Jawa did a double take, spying Yubari. She smelt human, but wore enough armour to trigger his instinctive love of metal. Unable to resist, he crooked an index finger at her. "Houtini," he rumbled seductively. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 11/30/07 5:46pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild - Date Edited: 11/30/07 5:47pm (2 edits total) Edited By: LightWarden
	Well, I never made any claim that there was a time when they didn't use metric in some publications (since you can't have a "five mile fallacy" without Imperial entanglements), I claimed that the official system of the Star Wars Universe is metric, and has been that way for the past twenty or so years out of its thirty year history thus far. Once they began continuity wrangling and cleaned up their act, this became the accepted way of doing things. This is how the universe works, no further arguments. I'm just trying to figure out why all characters seem to come from crazy backwater worlds with these "feet" and "pounds" units of measurement (and I'm also trying to figure out what units the Star Wars Universe uses for certain International System measurements. For instance, Watts, Ohms, Amps, Teslas, Volts, Dynes, Joules, Newtons, Henrys, Pascals, Farads, Grays, Sieverts, Becquerels, Webers and Hertz are all named after Earth Scientists who did outstanding work in that particular field). -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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Sith-I-5 Registered: Aug '02	Date Posted: 12/1/07 12:39pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	and I'm also trying to figure out what units the Star Wars Universe uses for certain International System measurements. Ergs. Unit of energy, I believe. From one of the Guides to the Star Wars Universe, and although I will have to go home to confirm, I think it may have originated in one of the Han Solo novels. -----signature----- The Detective Jawa did a double take, spying Yubari. She smelt human, but wore enough armour to trigger his instinctive love of metal. Unable to resist, he crooked an index finger at her. "Houtini," he rumbled seductively. 007 Family - DVC's twin bro'.
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 12/15/07 3:59pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	Since no one has said anything in the past few weeks, here's another prompt: Post your favorite character and tell the guild what makes that character great. -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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NickLitYouAFlame Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 12/15/07 5:10pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	Well, these sheets were made some time ago, but I figured I might let LightWarden tell me what I did wrong. They were made for the 128 aby RPG series. They are in order from when I made them. Ryu being the first. Name: Ryu Brightstar Age: 17 Species: Firrerreo Gender: Male Appearance: Black hair, blue eyes, Covers ears parts in the middle, gold colored skin, 6’3”, long canines, slightly muscular Allegiance: Other Weapons: Vibrosword and blaster pistols Bio: Ryu is force-sensitive and was born on Firrerre. His family was one of the last known Firrerreo clans alive. The family owns a huge farming company on the planet. They bring workers in from all over the galaxy. The farming life was not for Ryu and he left at 16. For a year he has been wandering the galaxy, doing odd-jobs and working as a guard of important cargo. Name: Darth Schleier Age: Unknown Species: Nagai or Human Gender: Male Appearance: Schleier wears a black blindfold over his eyes, so it is impossible to tell their color. He has white hair that hangs over his face in a tangled heap. Schleier wears black battle armor. He is muscular in a lean way. He doesn’t wear shoes or any other type of foot covering. Allegiance: Sith Weapons: Single Crimson Lightsaber Bio: Darth Schleier was born Kiln Hoer. His parents died of unknown circumstances, and he was made an orphan at a possible young age. It is unknown as to why he wears a blindfold over his eyes, but a long scar from his temple to under the fold suggest his eyes were damaged. When he was an orphan, Schleier taught himself to “see”, which unbeknownst to him, was him learning the early ways of the Force. An unknown Sith found him and asked him about his eyes and how he knew where he was going and he told the man. The Sith felt that Schleier was Force-sensitive and he trained him. He was granted the rank of Sith Lord at an undetermined age, under this man. He later came into the ranks of Krayt’s new order, to whom he now reports. Name: Tython Terentatek Age: 485 Species: Hysalrian Gender: Male Appearance: Dark green serpentine-like body, four arms and eyes, four breasts Allegiance: None Weapons: One blue lightsaber Bio: Tython was born Herl’giu Sankiata Omo on the planet Tython. He left four months after birth as a fully functional sentient life-form. He came back to Tython many timesin his lifetime. In his fourth century, he changed his name to represent the planet and a species of old. After leaving his home, Tython joined the Jedi Order and by 30 was a Master in the Order. Tython sat on the Council with Yoda for 100 years. The two bonded quite well. Tradgedy struck Tython’s life however, when he learned of the death of his mother. While he had never been physically close to her, he had shared a mental bond with her. During a knighting ceremony Tython felt the agony of the bond severing itself. Tython went insane after that and left the Order. He wandered the galaxy for many years. He never truly had a destination, but he ended up back on Tython. He dealt with the pain in a way, but didn’t fully heal. Tython continued to wander before making his way to Dagobah. He met an rogue Dark-side user there, and in his state was seduced by the lure of the Dark-side. The man had always wanted to teach, but never had the chance. He decided to try it out with Tython. The man showed Tython how to manipulate the Force, but he stunted the training with his low intelligence. Tython ended up killing the man and wandered upon Dagobah’s surface. He eventually found himself in a Force Cave and was visited by an unknown Jedi‘s Force ghost. The Jedi succeeded in partially bringing Tython to the light and for sending him to Coruscant and back to the Jedi. He eventually brought himself back fully and regained a seat on the Jedi Council. Tython, however, eventually left the Order again. He traveled the galaxy, constantly crossing his old paths. Tython found himself at his home planet again, when he was 425. For 60 years he sealed himself in a cave and meditated about the purpose of life and his own purpose. Tython exited the cave without much of a higher understanding of the galaxy, but with formidable connections to the Force. Tython left the planet to continue to wander the universe. -----signature----- I love Matt's "As Father And Son." I've written my best in that game.
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 12/15/07 7:09pm Subject: NP, he specifically asked for this
	Well, let's see. Contestant number 1: -Please tell me he named himself. Firrerreo rarely share their true names since they believe that one can own a name by speaking it. Plus, given the name, I think Dragon Boy probably came up with it himself. -How'd you get blue eyes? According to the Crystal Star, 3/3 example Firrerreo have black eyes. -Aside from the question of how the Firrerreo species is even still around in 128 ABY, I'm not sure what you're doing on Firrerre, considering that all life on the planet was killed off by the Imperial hive-virus, meaning it's pretty much a giant graveyard full of rotten corpses that you'd have to remove if you wanted to do anything with it (assuming the organisms responsible for decomposition aren't included in the "all life on the planet" descriptor. If not, you've got a millions of unrotted corpses to get rid of). -How does a 17 year old unexperienced brat wind up guarding important cargo? "Hmm... you have both a vibrosword and blaster pistols, that clearly means you're trustworthy. Please, watch over this very valuable cargo!" -You have nothing resembling any sort of characterization or personality. Contestant number 2: -Darth German Veil seems to be an attempt to be ominously vague. This does not seem to be working. I'm getting a vision of a palette-swapped Illidan. -I'm not sure how you're a human or Nagai. You're either a pale and pointy corpse-like alien or you're not. -Eye-scar and ill-defined age isn't uncommon. -You're wearing battle armor... and no shoes. Aside from looking incredibly stupid with your pale feet sticking out from beneath your black armored greaves, it doesn't seem very smart considering that your feet are exposed to all manners of unpleasant surfaces just from day to day walking. -History: Orphan, mystery, eyescar, mystery, Miralukavision, mystery, mystery Sith, mystery, mystery, mystery. Mysteries usually work better when people are interested in solving them. Otherwise, you're just denying any possible characterization thanks to a desire to be cryptically vague. -You have nothing resembling any sort of characterization or personality. Contestant number 3: -Naming someone Tython Terentatek seems a little like naming someone Alderaan Death Star. While the critters didn't blow up the planet, they probably weren't exactly loved by the locals. -Considering we have little to no information on the Hysalrians, I realize we have to guess... but species that are the longest lived usually have much longer periods of adolescence. If you're the kind of creature that can live for centuries, it might be a few decades before you're considered a true adult. -Reptiles do not have mammaries. This goes doubly so for male reptiles. -Your bio seems rather strange. After a hundred years of ignoring his mother, and being stable and serene enough to Master Yoda's BFF, her death caused him to purchase a ticket to crazy town and forget all that stuff about "no death, only the Force"... and this wasn't triggered by something along the lines of the death of his first Padawan from battle or old age? -Ah Dagobah, one of the most frequently visited remote locations in the Galaxy. Given that the planet was pretty much ignored after a Republic survey team disappeared on it, I'm not sure why anyone would care. Especially given that the only humans on the planet were pretty much a bunch of incestuous cannibals thanks to a fresh infusion from a crashed cruise ship that somehow found itself passing by and went to go investigate the distress signal from the lost survey team (for some reason, Yoda did nothing about them for twenty years, perhaps because they were a bunch of incestuous cannibals. Or perhaps because there wasn't anything he could do, who knows?). People who land on Dagobah usually have their ships sunk into the swamp. There aren't a great deal of landing sites that aren't overrun by the wildlife after a while. -Okay, so we've got the usual tale of fall and redemption, except it differs because it has no details regarding most of the fall and nearly all of the redemption. And he then... left the Order? -If he sealed himself in a cave for 60 years, what did he eat? Even Yaddle had a food supply when she spent a century in enemy-imposed mediation, since she'd spent time in a trance and survive on the food lowered down by the natives who thought she was some being to whom they made offerings. Also, using a long-lived species to grind some hermit powers seems a bit gimmicky to me, since a Neti could spend centuries doing nothing but sitting in a forest contemplating his non-existent naval. -You have nothing resembling any sort of characterization or personality. And seriously folks, what's the deal with stuffing parents into the refrigerator? For most of you it comes off as a cheap attempt at drama or characterization, except you don't actually do anything resembling drama or characterization, especially considering that it's nearly impossible to give a damn about a character who never had any presence whatsoever. -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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NickLitYouAFlame Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 12/15/07 8:15pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	Alright, fair enough. I would change them, but they are being used already. Thanks for the tips, anyway. -----signature----- I love Matt's "As Father And Son." I've written my best in that game.
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NickLitYouAFlame Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 12/15/07 10:26pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	Alright, I have another. Just for you, LW. Name: Zlaan --Age: 45 ---Gender: Male ----Species: Defel -----Eye Color: Red ------Hair Color and Style: Yellow in ultraviolet light and brown in visible light. -------Skin Complexion: Green (snout) and orange (jaw line) in ultraviolet; brown in visible light. --------Clothing: Belt and shoulder straps. Wears a visor that shields the light. ---------Physique: 1.2 meters. Stocky. ----------Personality: He is careful around his superiors and acts with the utmost care and caution around them. Very unforgiving towards promise-breakers. Order based. Organized and structured. Holds to his beliefs. He is a follower. He respects his superiors, unless they undermine him. He will always defend his actions and rarely apologizes. He is secretive. He was close to his family, but his home world makes it difficult to visit his parents. Adventurous. Very honorable. Strong sense of humor. -----------Natural abilities: Blind in all but the dimmest light. Claws. Absorbs visible light. ------------Force Sensitive: No Personal Ship -Name: Tatooine’s Majesty --Class: CR90 corvette ---Exterior Description: ----Interior Description: The interior of the CR90 featured a modular design to allow for easy reconfiguration of the Corellian corvette from one function to another. [Taken from Wookieepedia’s article on the CR90.] -----Weapon Systems: Taim & Bak H9 dual turbolasers (2 turrets: 1 dorsal, 1 ventral), Taim & Bak H9 single turbolasers on escape pods (4 dorsal turrets: 2 port, 2 starboard) [Taken from Wookieepedia’s article on the CR90.] ------Crew Compliment: 50 (8 commanders and 42 enlisted crew.) -------Hyperspace Capability: Class 2.0 Biography: Zlaan, born on Af’El, grew up mining and studying metalwork. As much as he loathed to leave his home, he longed to see the galaxy much more. He was confined to watching space from the planet‘s surface, however, as leaving the planet’s gravity well was difficult. It took twenty years for him to get a chance to leave and he hopped on the opportunity. A group of miners, aboard a CR90, entered the planet’s atmosphere. They hoped to take from the great meleenium mines, but found that the Defel did not allow outsiders to enter them. Because certain other minerals could not be found on Af’El, they were regarded, to the Defel, as meleenium was to other species. The miners traded most of their wares for an undetermined amount of meleenium. Before the miner’s left and as soon as Zlaan had his parent’s blessing, he approached them. He offered his services, in his mining skill and his knowledge of metal, as well as serving as a bodyguard of the ship. He, along with two other Defels, a male and a female, left the planet, escaping the gravity using the CR90’s modified and more powerful engine. After leaving the planet, the crew of the ironically named Tatooine’s Majesty made for Coruscant. The two additional Defels were apparently happy with this, because as soon as they arrived they jumped ship. The human captain of Tatooine’s Majesty, named Ikor Jarref, sold the meleenium from Af’El to a Coruscant shipyard. He used the profits to enlarge his ship and expand his crew. The upgrades took a few months to complete and Zlaan used the time to purchase a blaster, with credits his father had given him when he left home. When Tatooine’s Majesty left Coruscant, Zlaan began to feel homesick and tried to ignore the fact by practicing with the blaster he got. Zlaan, eager for company, shed his normally introverted personality and made a friend in the form of a small Rodian mechanic named Durosh. Durosh who was a bit of a loner himself, enjoyed Zlaan’s company a great deal. He helped Zlaan to modify the blaster he had purchased and Zlaan protected the small alien. -----signature----- I love Matt's "As Father And Son." I've written my best in that game.
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 1/9 9:21am Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	Why is it that so few heroic characters around here are genuinely flawed (and the related issue: so many villainous characters are simply boring)? -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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Kev-Mas_Colcha Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 1/9 11:04am Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	LightWarden posted: Why is it that so few heroic characters around here are genuinely flawed (and the related issue: so many villainous characters are simply boring)? Quite honestly, because people get attached to their characters. They don't want their Hero to be one of the Heroes that die, so they make it harder for that to happen, and they know that a villain will always die in the end, so they make that character more boring and easier to let go of. That's my opinion on the reason why. -----signature----- Kage Umbris of the Templars of Twilight (as Kev-Mas Colcha) Jedi Master of the Jedi Order (as Kexx Mazinn) http://links.kevmascolcha.twilightmainframe.net/ Colcha/Mikaru '08
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SephyCloneNo15 Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 1/9 10:03pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	LightWarden posted: Why is it that so few heroic characters around here are genuinely flawed (and the related issue: so many villainous characters are simply boring)? Heroes? Where? Don't we usually gripe about angsty anti-heroes and flat villains? Since when do we have problems with uber-Paragons of the Light Side? [semantics]By definition, isn't an unflawed hero not a hero at all?[/semantics] -----signature----- Member: GDG, GMG. Sub-GM: CDG Zam Wessel Lives! Recipient of Thrawn McEwok's Squib Creations Limited-Edition Replica Glove of Darth Vader™ "Samuel L. Jackson isn't only a fine actor, but a gamer. He's one of us." ~ Kotaku
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LightWarden Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 1/17 3:32pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild - Date Edited: 1/17 3:32pm (1 edits total) Edited By: LightWarden
	I'm not talking about kicking puppies here, I'm talking about characters having actual blemishes on their personalities. Things like laziness, tendency to procrastinate, refusal to admit to failure, gullibility, vindictiveness, short attention span, love of... ooh, shiny things. Or just things that make a character somewhat odd. I'm also annoyed by the people who just graft things on because they feel as though they need a quirk. It feels fake. One thing I am seriously annoyed with is the flow of information in the game. I mean, everyone seems to know about Tatooine and Hoth, despite the fact that one is an out-of-the-way sun-blasted rockball and the other is a desolate frozen wasteland that didn't have anything resembling a survey until the Rebellion scouted it out after Yavin. They know everyone of any major importance in the history of the Republic. They know everything about the Jedi and what they do, with nothing resembling any form of misinformation, despite the fact that there are more planets in the Republic than there are Jedi. They know about the Sith and their red lightsabers, despite the fact that they were blown to bits a thousand years prior, and they know about the Rule of Two despite that being a rather top-secret bit of cryptic information passed to the Jedi council by an otherwise insane Padawan. I know that there's a limit to your knowledge, but seriously guys... make things up. The movies were full of what originally were throw-away references to absolutely nothing in particular that conveyed a general idea. They didn't spend the whole film talking about things you had already seen. So make mistakes, be confused and ill-informed, talk about things no one else will understand (especially if you're not from one of the major planets covered by the movies/EU). Hold completely groundless beliefs (The "Hero with No Fear" was killed by Vader, the Jedi eat babies, the Empire has mind-controlling space termites, the Potentium is a legitimate philosophy, Mandalorians are honorable warriors, etc.) I'm just sick of trying to smack people for doing things like referring to Wampas during the Old Republic era. -----signature----- CDG Guild Master Strange how one small thing can determine the fate of so many... especially if it's a twenty-sided die The Internet is SERIOUS BIZNESS! It's all fun and games until someone loses a leg. TF.N RPGs: Less fun than pretending to have sex
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Kev-Mas_Colcha Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 1/17 7:17pm Subject: RE: The Character Designers Guild
	LightWarden posted: I'm not talking about kicking puppies here, I'm talking about characters having actual blemishes on their personalities. Things like laziness, tendency to procrastinate, refusal to admit to failure, gullibility, vindictiveness, short attention span, love of... ooh, shiny things. Or just things that make a character somewhat odd. I'm also annoyed by the people who just graft things on because they feel as though they need a quirk. It feels fake. One thing I am seriously annoyed with is the flow of information in the game. I mean, everyone seems to know about Tatooine and Hoth, despite the fact that one is an out-of-the-way sun-blasted rockball and the other is a desolate frozen wasteland that didn't have anything resembling a survey until the Rebellion scouted it out after Yavin. They know everyone of any major importance in the history of the Republic. They know everything about the Jedi and what they do, with nothing resembling any form of misinformation, despite the fact that there are more planets in the Republic than there are Jedi. They know about the Sith and their red lightsabers, despite the fact that they were blown to bits a thousand years prior, and they know about the Rule of Two despite that being a rather top-secret bit of cryptic information passed to the Jedi council by an otherwise insane Padawan. I know that there's a limit to your knowledge, but seriously guys... make things up. The movies were full of what originally were throw-away references to absolutely nothing in particular that conveyed a general idea. They didn't spend the whole film talking about things you had already seen. So make mistakes, be confused and ill-informed, talk about things no one else will understand (especially if you're not from one of the major planets covered by the movies/EU). Hold completely groundless beliefs (The "Hero with No Fear" was killed by Vader, the Jedi eat babies, the Empire has mind-controlling space termites, the Potentium is a legitimate philosophy, Mandalorians are honorable warriors, etc.) I'm just sick of trying to smack people for doing things like referring to Wampas during the Old Republic era. As a believer of the Potentium philosophy, I'm offended partially by what you have said there. -----signature----- Kage Umbris of the Templars of Twilight (as Kev-Mas Colcha) Jedi Master of the Jedi Order (as Kexx Mazinn) http://links.kevmascolcha.twilightmainframe.net/ Colcha/Mikaru '08
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