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NickLitYouAFlame
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4/15 3:38pm
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MandalorianLegecy is young. Give him time. He'll realize it's not worth it.
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darth_nemisis
Title: Host & Dark Lord:
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4/15 4:11pm
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I wouldn't say it is not worth it. If one has the time and the commitment, then go for it.
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Saintheart
Title: Manager and Wandering Swordsman of the RPF
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4/15 6:30pm
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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In the interests of transparency, I'm going to throw my own view on this rule out there for people to pick apart.
Firstly, as most folks know, the rationale for the original rule was fairly obvious: it prevents people from spamming the boards with RPGs that they then abandon due to becoming overwhelmed with updates. That's a fair call, too: I've attempted to run more than one RPG at a time and it's a very difficult process -- especially when (like me) you're silly enough to open up two "sandbox" RPGs at once, each of which just open the universe so wide you have to do eight different updates for eight different players. If you heap onto that your own obligations in terms of player or sub-GM duties one or more of those RPGs are usually going to suffer.
However: I don't believe it's a law of nature. Those of us who are experienced GMs do tend to run things on a much more organised and less "ad hoc" basis than the newer GMs. But that isn't the only way to run an RPG, much as it pains me to admit that my IBOP-style RPGing is not the only way to have a good time. This is something of a change from my standard frothing at the mouth on the subject, and I admit it. It's because I look at the "seedling" games we've got like things by Twin_Saber, or even MandalorianLegecy -- while the RPGs are more like IM conversations than literate RPGs, it looks like their participants are still having fun with it. And if they are having fun, within TOS rules, then where is the harm to the community at large?
That is simply an observation, not a judgment. I'm not talking about reducing the requirements for an RPG -- you will still need more than "hey letz RP i will be mperor palps you all iz mai jedi b33otches" to start an RPG, on pain of threadlock. I also still believe the standard style that most experienced GMs use is a more durable and proper form of gaming. I am also of the view that Hammer's "Market Metaphor" for RPGs is not a bad observation on RPGs generally -- which, without doing violence to my fellow mod, basically means "Good games will in all likelihood prosper based on their construction and ongoing maintenance; bad games will not." Good games either will have a popular player base because of the clarity of their construction and dedication of their GM -- or they'll attract loyal communities which will support them, much as pashatemur has.
I say all of that because while most experienced GMs won't start more than one game at a time, most inexperienced ones will because of their enthusiasm, and I think we should be encouraging that -- recognising of course the tremendous frustration that arises for players when a GM abandons their RPG, and taking a slightly harder line on abandonments in view of it. I believe to retain people we need both enthusiasm and quality games. I believe the "rule of two" should be retained, but I am also moderately (pun intended) of the view that the rule of "one game per forum" can be removed without doing great violence to the RPFs generally. If anything the only additional work it's going to generate will be for the mods, since we'll have to be checking both forums to make sure one player doesn't have two in one and then one in the other.
That's it. I shall now get off my soapbox and await comments with interest.
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darth_nemisis
Title: Host & Dark Lord:
SWC's Acolytes of Darkness
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Date Posted:
4/15 8:04pm
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Well, then I think that it is agreed that most people want the "Rule of Two." Hey, it worked for the Sith, it can work for the RPF.
Anyway, all joking aside, you're absolutely right that enthusiasm is needed. However, as I said in my previous post (with my game-ban sock), and you said yourself, Saintheart, if this Rule of Two is to be put in to place, I do think the mods should be more strict when it comes to abandonment.
So in other words, I do agree with you Saintheart.  I just don't want to see a constant flow of those games that are left up for a couple of hours with the "Please join my game!!1!!one!" double-posts going on. It can work if you guys take a strict approach (I am not saying mean, of course, but a friendly kind of strict). 
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Imperial_Hammer
Title: Manager:
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4/15 8:10pm
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I can get on board with the more strict policing of games. I think this should be emphasized somehow though. Like some sort of special post or notice or something.
As to hosting two games, I did that quite a bit when the NSWRPF launched. Wish I could still do it. Really keeps you busy, but its definitely not impossible, nor foolish to do.
Do continue gents!
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Saintheart
Title: Manager and Wandering Swordsman of the RPF
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4/15 8:20pm
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A special post? Hmm.
"News Flash: Mods put the "ban" back in "abandonment"."
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darth_nemisis
Title: Host & Dark Lord:
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4/15 8:30pm
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Saint posted:
"News Flash: Mods put the "ban" back in "abandonment"."
That's what I like to hear.
Imp posted:
I can get on board with the more strict policing of games. I think this should be emphasized somehow though. Like some sort of special post or notice or something.
Well, I don't really know how that could be accomplished besides making a special sticky for it, perhaps. Though, I don't think it would be wise to have too many sticky threads in each forum for crowding it and such. But, I guess that's a sacrifice that can be made. Perhaps a trial and error sort of thing for new users.
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DarthXan318
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4/15 9:31pm
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Saintheart posted:
while the RPGs are more like IM conversations than literate RPGs, it looks like their participants are still having fun with it. And if they are having fun, within TOS rules, then where is the harm to the community at large?
A little off-topic for this discussion, but - I tend to disagree here. There's no harm with them having fun in their own way, but I think it encourages that style of RPing and that's ... not something we want to do, is it? Certainly it's a problem if they wanted to just stick to their own games, but realistically that doesn't happen - and call me an elitist brat if you want, but I find it frustrating when they then join the more "literate" games and bring the IM-style RPing they've gotten used to (sometimes complete with godmoding tendencies) with them.
*Note that I'm not saying I have a problem with newbies - not at all. Rather I'm referring to the newbies who come in and fall into the groove of less-than-stellar RPing, and then have to be broken of it, here.
But yah, I like the idea of more strict abandonment rules.
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darth_nemisis
Title: Host & Dark Lord:
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4/15 9:43pm
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A bit off-topic as well and I apologize: A solution to that problem could be a revival of the RPF Adoptions? It's been a month since that thing has even had a post. With a bit of a renovation, perhaps the Adoptions thread could be very helpful.
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Ktala
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4/15 11:08pm
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DarthXan318 posted:
Saintheart posted:
while the RPGs are more like IM conversations than literate RPGs, it looks like their participants are still having fun with it. And if they are having fun, within TOS rules, then where is the harm to the community at large?
A little off-topic for this discussion, but - I tend to disagree here. There's no harm with them having fun in their own way, but I think it encourages that style of RPing and that's ... not something we want to do, is it? Certainly it's a problem if they wanted to just stick to their own games, but realistically that doesn't happen - and call me an elitist brat if you want, but I find it frustrating when they then join the more "literate" games and bring the IM-style RPing they've gotten used to (sometimes complete with godmoding tendencies) with them.
*Note that I'm not saying I have a problem with newbies - not at all. Rather I'm referring to the newbies who come in and fall into the groove of less-than-stellar RPing, and then have to be broken of it, here.
But yah, I like the idea of more strict abandonment rules.
Hey All!
I think this is one of those times, where we want the board to stay active, and not die. Yeah, we want to teach the new players how to RP, and improve their skills...but we dont want to chase them off all together.
Many of the newer games that start up with the new players, they all tend to cluster together. Many times because they feel a bit intimidated by the other games. So they play together in their own groups. But sooner or later, most will want to branch out. Especially when most experienced players WONT GO NEAR the other new games. Then we get a chance to teach them, how its done.
Lord knows, it can be a rough process sometimes. But I rather have that, then have the boards die, for lack of new members. And let's face it, we NEED new blood! Us oldbies have seen many folks drop off, never to return...or return months later. BURNOUT is very high among GM's.
And every time a new movie or book comes out, we see a influx of new folks who show up, and droves. Usually what happens is that those who want to learn how to play with the rest of us, do..and those that dont, eventually get bored and fade away.
BTW, I HAVE run more than one game at a time..especially if Ive been asked to co-GM as well. Its only for those who have the time and patience. But I would leave the rule as it is right now...One game per section..two games is tough..4 games is really fun. If you want to run more, get someone to CO-GM a game with.
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Sinrebirth
Title: Hierarch and Chancellor of EUCity
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4/16 8:06am
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I've ran more than one game at once, as a Co-GM and GM in the SW RPF, and then another two on an off-site at the same time. It's doable, if you have the time. I'd be very much for a rule which lets me open two games anywhere, because as fun as non-SW RP's are - and I have one on my books I could run anytime - this is a SW board, and I'd much rather have two SW games.
Very much for the new rule.
If you want a limitation on it... You have to have completed roleplaying training within the Guild? That way we'd prevent people just opening threads left, right and centre...?
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Imperial_Hammer
Title: Manager:
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4/16 12:52pm
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darth_nemisis posted:
A bit off-topic as well and I apologize: A solution to that problem could be a revival of the RPF Adoptions? It's been a month since that thing has even had a post. With a bit of a renovation, perhaps the Adoptions thread could be very helpful.
Adoptions will be getting a bump in the upcoming Around the Boards in Comms, as will this thread. Any newcomers from the RPF spawning from this bump will at least enter through adoptions. As for the folks already here, perhaps Adoption's new activity will spur interest.
Individual games will be getting their shot at the Around the Boards feature shortly.
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darth_nemisis
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Ah, very nice. It's cool to see that the RPF will be getting mentioned in the ATB updates, especially the individual games. I will definitely be interested in participating in the Adoptions thread.
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Hammurabi
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Actually, with regards to the whole Adoptions issue (and also related to unreliable GM issues), there's an idea I had a while back for a sort of 'GM adoption' type thing, or a sort of 'GM matching service'. I mean, I've been meaning to start GMing for a while, but my availability tends to fluctuate quite a bit and I know that if I tried to take a project like that on, there's a decent chance that I would go through a very busy period and people would lose interest in the RP while I was away. And I've always wondered about this sort of 'GM matching service' that could help match up potential co-GMs or sub-GMs. Either somebody would team up with them as co-GM, or perhaps an established GM would take the rookie under their wing as a sub-GM, and the sub-GM would then help the GM out in an established thread.
Of course, the GM is a pretty serious role, so I imagine it would be more difficult than setting up your run-of-the-mill RP Adoptions. I don't think it would be a good idea for players to team up with a person they didn't know well enough. I don't think it would be a service for newbs so much as something to help out more experienced users and GMs.
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NickLitYouAFlame
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I kind of like that idea, Ham. In fact, I could use a Co-GM myself.
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