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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO
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4/24 1:27pm
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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The difference between the football analogy and this is that people vote for the winners. For me i dont mind either way, though this year had alot of new nominees in the mix with some old ones, yet most of the seasoned rpers won. I think there is already a compromise with winners in regards to winning per award season.
The only adjustment i can think of is extending it to two award seasons instead of one, if people still have a problem with the rule. The only question is will it help or hurt the rp awards if that's done. Competition is something that is encouraged.
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Jango10
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4/24 2:14pm
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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO posted:
The only adjustment i can think of is extending it to two award seasons instead of one, if people still have a problem with the rule. The only question is will it help or hurt the rp awards if that's done. Competition is something that is encouraged.
That's not the rule. The rule is currently 1 year, or 4 seasons. I believe 1 or 2 seasons would be best.
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NickLitYouAFlame
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I think she was responding to your post.
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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO
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4/24 2:37pm
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Jango10 posted:
JEDI_TEEGIRLOO posted:
The only adjustment i can think of is extending it to two award seasons instead of one, if people still have a problem with the rule. The only question is will it help or hurt the rp awards if that's done. Competition is something that is encouraged.
That's not the rule. The rule is currently 1 year, or 4 seasons. I believe 1 or 2 seasons would be best.
Oh my bad i did think it was only one season. Then if thats the case then i truly think the rule is fine as is.
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CmdrMitthrawnuruodo
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4/24 4:06pm
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I see nothing wrong with the current rule. Then again I don't know what happened in the last awards that brought this rule onto the table for discussion.
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Winged_Jedi
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The only problem I have with the current rule is that Best GM and Best Player becomes a case of "who hasn't won it yet?" rather than "who was the best GM/Player in the last three months?"
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DarthXan318
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5/11 5:14am
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So ... next? 
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Imperial_Hammer
Title: Manager:
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Sep '04
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5/12 12:18am
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Indeed Miss Xan!
Last call for points on Awards...
We're movin' to the NSWRPF Franchise Rule tomorrow...
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Imperial_Hammer
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5/13 1:59am
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Alright, as promised, lets move with this...
I know there has been talk about this peppered about already, but lets talk about it in a more focused manner...
The NSWRPF Franchise Rule
6) Redundancy
Only one RPG per franchise (Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, etc.) is allowed at a time. Any issues or questions in this regard can be directed to the forum Moderator(s). Be aware that our intention is to prevent redundancy and promote creativity, not to limit your imaginations or to prevent fair chance for all members, regardless of registration dates and/or skill and experience.
Similarly, only two RPGs per genré will be accepted. That is, two broadly Fantasy-based games, two Historical based games, etc. Again, please seek the Moderator(s) with any issues you might have.
So, at least in my opinion, the rule is founded on good intentions. Especially with the franchise part. Franchises seem narrow enough that more than one game in the franchise compete each other into the dust. I would be fine keeping this rule.
The genre rule, however, seems a bit much. I don't believe that a Narnia RPG, LotR RPG, and a Camelot RPG can't all get along together. And in fact, I would hazard that this rule has not been a hard and fast one now or in the past. I would not be opposed to removing this rule.
Finally, there is a third issue related to all this that should be talked about. The scenario of a new user that got their super-cool yet skeletally acceptable game up for Kingdom Hearts or what-have-ye and runs it terribly, all-the-while denying an older, more experienced user from utilizing the franchise.
Is there any way to get around this? Should there be any way to get around this? Special Moderator permission is one way to go. Or some sort of set-standard that the game must pass by a certain time to keep the franchise...
Or something else entirely?
Now entertaining thoughts!
Aaaaaaaannnndddddd..... go.
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Hammurabi
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I think special moderator permission is one way to work it. That way, we get to determine things on a case-by-case basis. I don't know if there's a better way to do things, given the variety of RPs out there, and it allows a fair amount of administrative control. The way I imagine it working, anybody could set up an RP for a franchise which doesn't already have a thread. But for an already-represented franchise, the GM would have to send you or Saint a PM. It would then be up to you and/or Saint to determine whether or not to allow the RP. I imagine criteria might be the strength of the game idea (as well as the strength of the currently established franchise RP) and the perceived ability/experience of the GM. I would also consider how different the new game idea is from the existing one.
Let's use Harry Potter as an example. Right now, Harry Potter has been doing pretty poorly, which is a shame. So if a decent GM pitched you a solid RP, it'd probably be pretty acceptable - even if it weren't really any different from the standard academy-based Harry Potter stuff we've been seeing. It's a pretty good setting for an RP, and if we're going to have one Harry Potter RP, it oughta be at Hogwarts. So let's suppose somebody launches this RP (we'll say it takes place in Hogwarts in the years following DH), and it's going pretty well. Somebody else pitches you a new Harry Potter idea, except this one is focused on one of the wars with Voldemort, rather than the Hogwarts focus. If it's a well-put-together game idea, I think it'd be acceptable to allow another Harry Potter RP. It's a sizable franchise, with plenty of support and a fairly extensive world that leaves room for plenty of distinct game ideas.
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Saintheart
Title: Manager and Wandering Swordsman of the RPF
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5/13 6:22am
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Again, for transparency's sake I'll throw my own view out there again: I don't think a blanket "one RPG per franchise" prohibition is the right way to go anymore, and the "no more than two RPGs per genre" blanket rule should remain, either.
The main reason I'm of that view is because of the (present) barren wasteland that is the NSWRPF. If I remember correctly this rule dated back to the days of the Old Republic. Er, back to the days when NSWRPGs and SWRPGs occupied the same space -- although I haven't done my history research in detail and I could be wrong. Now, I could certainly understand such a rule being in place in that scenario, since the alternative is madness with having to control Harry Pothead RPGs, Lord of the Rings RPGs, and all the Legacy RPGs in one place.
As it is, in a technical sense these rules do apply to the SWRPF as well as NSWRPF. And I can't see myself or Hammer cutting Legacy RPGs down in their tracks - it isn't feasible, and it doesn't encourage new players to stay.
I think both these rules could easily be relaxed back to "moderator discretion" rather than "ironclad rule". If by some miracle the drought in NSWRPF breaks and suddenly we get three Matrix RPGs a week the rule could be revisited, but in their current forms I believe these rules aren't needed.
In particular the "two RPGs per genre" seems to me outdated and probably needs to go in its entirety. The majority of RPGs in the NSWRPF will be either science fiction or fantasy, so how does one work that rule in any event? I certainly haven't been in there with my razor-edged halo killing RPGs for this rule, and the NSWRPF isn't dying except from a lack of RPGs (IMHHO). The rationale for this rule was so the historical RPGs didn't drown among the D&D/LOTR/Camelot/Harry Potter clones, but in its present state I don't see any need for this rule to be there. If someone does come up with a really good off-the-wall RPG that isn't in the scifi/fantasy genre I think they'd be doing better than most of the NSWRPGs out there anyway, and their game would prosper as a result.
As to how we'd enforce these rules and what the policy behind the discretion would be, I'd tend to think along these lines: Unofficial Rule of Two. Generally two RPGs in a given franchise are enough to satisfy players; if they don't like one, they'll go to the other and ultimately the "market" (or the GM's sanity) will decide the issue as to which RPG lives and which dies. If someone came along proposing a third RPG in a franchise, it'd be a matter for mod discretion. If, as Hammurabi suggests, there's plenty of support in the franchise, or a pledged player base before launch, or the GM is an experienced one who wants to try his hand at the genre, then I'd be confident enough to let it run. I think PM requests to start a third RPG will be the exception rather than the rule -- in scenarios where someone plonks down a third RPG I'd probably throw a provisional lock on the thread as I do with malformed new RPGs these days. If I'm convinced of the support, the player base, or the GM's experience, I'd unlock and let it meet its destiny. In short: case-by-case basis, as Hammurabi suggests.
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CmdrMitthrawnuruodo
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I'll repost my opinion on this:
This needs to go. Im sorry to say it but it is harming the NSWRPF. There have been players, and I'm one of them, that have had a great idea for a franchise game but couldnt start it because someone else had already started such a game. So those ideas get put on the back burner and are lost and forgotten.
Limiting games on genre is also stupid. Each franchise can be catagorized under a number of genres. Just two franchises could prevent a third different franchise from being started because of genre. Genre is too broad of a term to use as a basis to limit games.
Limitation, imo, is really what is killing the NSWRPF. It is not allowing for creativity to flow like we get in the SWRPF. We have to get approval for this or for that before we can even start another game thats already been started. Also just because it is Non-Star Wars or a Star Wars forum doesnt mean crossovers with Star Wars/Non-Star Wars should be disallowed without approval. Keep the SWRPF strictly Star Wars and move all crossovers to the NSWRPF. Star Wars only games should be disallowed in the NSWRPF. Crossovers with Star Wars should not be limited to Mod approval, especially if we want to get more people into the NSWRPF.
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DarthXan318
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I'm for doing away with both the genre and franchise rules.. In fact I'd say unofficially we basically have already done that. I'm pretty sure were two Batman RPs running at one point, although they've both since died, and the vast majority of games over there can be classified as sci-fi/fantasy.
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darth_nemisis
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5/13 7:51am
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I am going to agree with you guys on this one. The only thing is that, without a limit on the franchises, then there can be too many at one point and people will just tire of it, lose interest, and then they all will die. I think what Saintheart said about two-per franchise will be a good idea. It offers a choice for players, allows more creativity of games for each franchise, and yet, it still offers a bit of a restriction. If there is another example like what Mitth provided about wanting to start a game and there is already two being run at the same time, then simply PM a mod about it.
I also think that the genre rule should be totally abolished. I think that is too limiting, and, as Mitth says, it is hurting the NSWRPF as well as the franchise rule.
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DarthXan318
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darth_nemisis posted:
without a limit on the franchises, then there can be too many at one point and people will just tire of it, lose interest, and then they all will die.
On one hand, I agree. Going back to the Batman games, when they were starting up I remember looking at both of them and wondering which one to join - I didn't end up joining either, but would definitely not have joined both - so even two games already split the player base. And then once they started going players naturally gravitated to the better of the two, so yeah, there's some attrition.
But. I think players would have gravitated to the better one no matter how many Batman games were going on. I also think what killed both games in the end was their GMs stopped posting, not that they bled players to the other game of the franchise, and that would have been the same no matter how many Batman games there were up.
So IMO, we can do away with the franchise rule entirely. If for some reason we end up being flooded with a dozen crappy Harry Potter (or whatever) RPGs then by all means slap some controls on it, but I don't think that's going to happen.
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