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Darth_wanderguard
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Apr '05
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Date Posted:
6/29 11:35pm
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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Looks like a good policy to me. I can't think of any reasonably practical detraction.
If nothing else, derailing a thread with out of game comments even after the GM specifically requests that comments be made by PM should be against the rules either way.
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Despised1
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Jul '05
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Date Posted:
6/30 3:40am
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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I would love to see that policy in the RPFs.
There is one specific person around here who does the OOG thing a lot, and more often than not it is done specifically to criticize the GM, the game, the players, or even all of them. It is even worse when the GM specifically asks for future comments to be made via PM, and that is ignored as well.
It just seems rude to me, and I have never liked when people do it wether it is in the middle or start of a game.
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darth_nemisis
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May '04
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Date Posted:
6/30 3:50am
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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I also agree with this. I admit, I have done this a lot...But, it makes sense, everything is just more advantageous to the game if it is PMed rather than posted. One may ask: but what if someone has a question that will help others? Answer: PM it to the GM and, if said GM gets a lot of the same questions s/he can simply post about it in the thread. Problem solved.
One of the most annoying things I see on the boards (I am probably guilty of this as well, but I don't think for a while) is when a person just randomly posts: "PM Sent!  " Or something. It is completely pointless as the GM already knows that "Random_User" sent in the PM. No offense the person, but I don't care if "Random_User" sent in their PM.  That should be bannable.
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DarthXan318
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Date Posted:
6/30 4:10am
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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I agree. I especially agree with including messages like "PM sent!!" "ZOMG it's up!!" and so on under the OOG umbrella, so to speak. That sort of stuff belongs in the social threads.
edit - That said, I think that OOC questions and comments, by players, should always be allowed unless explicitly banned by the GM. I'd be a sad panda if I couldn't ask OOC questions in threads.
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The_Loyal_Imperial
Title: C&G and Lit Game Host
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6/30 5:43am
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Fully in agreement with this idea. Not much else I can add, other than if people aren't there to play, then it seems to me that they'd just be unnecessarily clogging up the thread for other people are there and do plan to participate.
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Hammurabi
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Jan '07
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7/1 10:40pm
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I don't think it's a big deal. I mean, it just doesn't make much of a difference to me.
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BobaMatt
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Aug '02
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7/2 1:11pm
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I'm with Hammer. PM's are there for a reason. When my game "As Father and Son" (which you should all join  ) first started, I immediately got hit up with OOG posts that, right away, detracted from the quality of the experience. I had to ask Hammer to clean up my thread because the first three posts were people naysaying and/or expressing confusion over things clearly stated in the first post. There's a quality control issue here, as well as an issue of courtesy; if a player doesn't understand something, he should read the opening post carefully; if a player wants to send in a CS, he should do so instead of announcing that the GM should expect one soon; if you think the RP looks cool, join instead of letting people know you think it looks cool.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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7/2 2:29pm
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I've been looking at a lot of other RP's, but that's just to get a sense of what other people are doing to get good RP's going. I'm idea searching, not putting anyone down; if anyone put me down because my game was "bad", I'd feel upset. IH, I agree totally with your rule; OOG's should be banned.
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Imperial_Hammer
Title: Manager:
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Sep '04
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Date Posted:
7/6 10:54pm
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RE: The RPF Rules Discussion
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Okie Dokie....
Last call for this discussion topic... 
After this, I'll make the necessary changes to the rules....
Aaaaaand we may talk about one other topic that was brought up in some rpfchats.
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Reynar_Tedros
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7/6 11:15pm
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Hammurabi posted:
I don't think it's a big deal. I mean, it just doesn't make much of a difference to me.
Agreed.
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LightWarden
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Oct '01
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Date Posted:
7/7 12:12am
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The obligatory contrary opinion post. Because someone has to.
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Endure, and in enduring, grow strong.
Face it, if you're the kind of person who gets easily discouraged just because someone said something you don't like about your game, then you're also probably the kind of person who will wind up closing your game because you can't commit to it.
Let's play "Choose Your Own Adventure"!
Someone has made a negative statement about your game/skill. Think over what has been said...
1. Is it a valid critique? If "yes", go to 2. If "no", go to 5.
2. Do you care? If "yes", go to 3. If "no", go to 4.
3. Can you change anything about it? If "yes", go to 7. If "no", go to 8.
4. Are the players bothered by the chatter? If "yes", go to 6. If "no", go to 8.
5. Has this person been consistently useless in the past? If "yes", go to 6. If "no", go to 8.
6. Does this person respond to civil conversation? If "yes", go to 9. If "no", go to 0.
7. Improve yourself
8. Walk it off
9. Talk it out
0. Get a mod
Criticism builds character. If you grow content, you'll never improve. If you quit you'll never improve. If you bend to everyone, you'll never be happy.
If they're not making negative statements about your game and the signal-to-noise-ratio isn't ludicrously low (as in, more random chatter than actual posts, or people playing MST3K in the middle of the game) and your players aren't bothered by it, then you really have nothing to complain about. Though if you're getting nothing but the highest praise, you may want to reassess things to make sure you haven't picked up some sycophants. Nothing will slow you faster than sycophants.
Personally, I enjoy comments from the peanut gallery provided they're not interrupting anything important or jumping on my players. I am well aware that I am no where near the level of skill I wish to be, and feedback is essential for refining myself. Aside from that, to me comm chatter has always been an indication of a sense of community, as well as the fact that people who aren't in the game are taking an active interest in it, which means you must be doing something interesting (even if it is just being an incredibly engrossing train wreck).
Seriously, how is "publicly throwing the fact that the game is poorly made right in the GMs face" a bad thing? If it's broken, fix it.
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NaboosPrincess
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May '01
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7/7 10:19am
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There's a time and place for everything. If you have comments for the GM, send a PM. I think it's disrespectful of the other players' time to make them wade through OOC comments criticizing the game. Threads are for playing, and PMs are a great tool for any behind-the-scenes work that might be needed.
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MASTERPRENN
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Dec '05
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7/8 7:48am
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While I agree with the others concerning the use of PMs over the actual game thread for critique etc., I don't think we want to make a rule over this. To me, it's the GMs discretion, and at times it can be valuable. I think that we need to get in the practice of the GM stating clearly in their first post whether they'd like their thread to be "clean" and not have such remarks/posts made, or if they're okay with it, and then have mod enforcement come off of that, rather than a blanket rule that affects everybody, some of whom don't mind it.
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Imperial_Hammer
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Sep '04
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Date Posted:
7/13 11:33pm
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Alrighty...
Tomorrow the Rules Discussion ends, and I'll begin work on the final wordings of the new changes.
Thanks to everyone here for their great input on these issues. I'm thinking we'll make the right changes here because of them.
-I_H
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Imperial_Hammer
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7/15 7:07pm
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Moving the convo about RPF Awards rules here...
As promised, my prior post...
Personally, I am in the camp with Peng. and Nemisis. Popularity is generally a sign that you're doing something right. I really doubt there are bribes going on for undeserving people/games. And if there are, well, tell me where to get in on some of that action, cause I could use the moolah.
Aaaaaaas to some sort of rule about minimum age of a game, I'm torn. On one hand, its absolutely correct that you can't gauge the success of a game that has been launched a few days ago. On the other hand, building up a hype is an art in itself. Pllluuuuusssss, remember this is all through popular acclaim. No one wins anything without some mass of users saying so. I'm inclined to say that if a game is new, then don't vote for it to win! And if people do, then it must have something going for it.
The standard response to this will be something to the effect of "People are dumb" and "The system gives power to the mindless mob," and to this I would response, "Perhaps, but why should this be corrected? Aren't we trying to be as democratic as possible? Is it really our jobs to fix this?"
Thirdly, as to the launch of The Shattered Galaxy, it is a happy coincidence, although I am amused that folks could entertain otherwise. Summer awards have always been in July, and they have no set date. I assure you I have no partisanship towards that game... I'm not even playing or GMing in it. And even if I did have some secret favoritism, my vote is not going to be a king-maker anyhow.
Additionally, RPF Mods have always had the authority to green-light multi-thread games. Usually though, there needs to be some sort of proof that its going to be as big so as to require it. For example, TSG has a ton of EUCers in it, and before authorization, I had its GM give me a list of interested players. He managed to demonstrate that over 30 players were interested in his forum alone. Hence, Saintheart and I allotted the game 3 threads to work in.
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