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Author	Topic: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
Jedidoria Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 5/10 9:45am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Here are my top three reasons why Star Trek didn't SUCK like Wolverine did. You have no idea how much it pains me to even write this...I'm self avowed NON-Trekkie, and I valued my X-Men comics almost as much as my Dazzler ones as a wee geek girl...however, the truth is the truth, and I must admit Star Trek put Wolverine to shame. (Spoilers!!!) #1 They called James T Kirk...James T Kirk the WHOLE movie! I HATE the whole Logan/Jimmy thing. UGH!! Chris has enlightened me that (long after I stopped reading them) the comics addressed the name issue so that Jimmy is technically correct...but I hate it anyway, and how he went from Jimmy to Logan -- and everyone from his past now knew to call him Logan even though they hadn't seen him in years and years -- annoyed me so much it distracted me from the movie (which maybe was a good thing). #2 The love story aspect did not detract from who Spock really was...it didn't make him a wuss, and if anything, it added depth to his character. The same can not be said for the dear Mr. Whipped Jimmy, oops, Logan.... #3 The CGI was believable. Not once did I laugh out loud at any effects in Star Trek. Once Logan pulled out his new super long, super sharp claws and was looking at them in the mirror, did anyone else think they might just blend into one another because the CGI was JUST...THAT...BAD. Sheesh. Who else has more to add??? -----signature----- Rogue 28 / SVRF Secretary “Wisdom is our hammer; goodness will be our nail.”
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/10 11:39am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	#4.) Star Trek was a stronger "prequel" because it established a NEW VOICE that paid respect to the source material but also created a real sense of tension and peril for all involved. Granted, Star Trek is a "not-a-reboot" reboot while Wolverine isn't, but then maybe it's a sign Wolverine shouldn't have been made. Wolverine is certainly "popular", but "popular" and "successful property" are not (always) the same thing. #5.) Star Trek introduced and handled a diverse cast of characters that were all interesting and integral to the plot whereas Wolverine did not - many characters were superfluous or used poorly (sorry, Ryan Reynolds). #6.) When reinventing the look and feel of classic iconography JJ Abrams managed to create a successful new look and iconography that echoed the original's, while also drawing on the era and sources the originals came from. Wolverine gave us body paint Deadpool with Baraka claws. #7.) Simply put, JJ made a point of how he "wasn't a fan" of Star Trek coming into the project. Maybe that's what we need - people who aren't fan boys... look at Abrams (Star Trek), Favreau (Iron Man), Nolan (Batman Begins/Dark Knight), and Bay (Transformers). These are all directors who weren't "fans", but they approached their properties from an intelligent, thoughtful angle and look what we got. Only "Fanboy" I can think who did a good job was Bryan Singer... and that's mainly X-2 that stands out (although I've got a soft spot for Superman Returns). Next? -TJ -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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Nasus_Sivad Title: Chapter Rep Sacramen to, CA Registered: Jan '06	Date Posted: 5/10 6:49pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	8. Kirk can take and give a pretty good butt whippin without any special weapons. Wolverine needed those claws to win. 9. It was fun to see characters earlier in their life and then understand how they turned out how they were. 10. It was fun to see Spock best Kirk in the woman department at least once. I loved it and really enjoyed it from the first minute to the last minute. Was sorry when it ended. Made me want to go home and watch the put away Star Trek movies. -----signature----- Rogue Leader - 26 SVRF Supreme Chancellor "C3PO's for Everyone"
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TKJoker Registered: Mar '09	Date Posted: 5/11 3:58pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	11. Kirk could kill Wolverine easily with a phaser set to kill. Vaporize every molecule in his body at once? Lets see him heal from that!!! HAHA!!! All that would be left would be his skeleton! 12. Kirk wouldn't have wined and cried about a dead girl or sought revenge, cause he would just find another one. I can't really comment since I didnt' see wolverine, I just think Kirk is better -----signature----- Why So Serious?!?! http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Baelgun&n=Tarrik http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Baelgun&n=Baartak
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Jedidoria Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 5/11 8:46pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	TKJoker posted: 12. Kirk wouldn't have wined and cried about a dead girl or sought revenge, cause he would just find another one. This makes me smile. Very true. You need to see Wolverine just so you can make fun of it. It's entertaining enough for a trip to the theater. -----signature----- Rogue 28 / SVRF Secretary “Wisdom is our hammer; goodness will be our nail.”
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ekimnotslar Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Jan '07	Date Posted: 5/12 2:49pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Suprise! I'm bailiffing and thought to check the boards. Greetings old friends! I am well, and hope you are all doing well too. Regarding wolverine, my wife really liked it. I did too, though I recognize the storyline deviations from original thread. "IF" producers remained true to the story line we all know and love, the average moviegoer might not be as interested in all the plots and twists involved in the whole X-men story. Remember that we are geeks, and the average moviegoer is not at our level. My only complaint about wolverine is he is too tall- he should be Robert Deniro's height. Other than that, Hugh Jackman made my wife wanna watch the X-men! what more could I ask for?!?! Many comic purest pals are worn-out with origin stories, and I am the chief of that crew. Batman Begins was about the only one I was impressed with since I could sit still long enough to enjoy feature films. My major complaint is the emphasis on origin stories because we (the true fans) are always disappointed by Hollywood with origin films. Haven't seen Star Trek yet but I am really looking forward to it! Good thread JD! -----signature----- Rogue 9 "Good against remotes is one thing. Good against a living; that's something else" We don't "beat-people-up", padawan. We use: "That amount of FORCE necessary to overcome resistance." Cort Sec since 2003
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Quinlan_Vos_1 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 5/12 4:41pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own) - Date Edited: 5/12 4:43pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Quinlan_Vos_1
	13. Deadpool as Mimic. WTF!!! (At least Ryan Reynolds WALKED off at that point. It was really his stunt dbl.) 14. Best Casted: Capt. Pike (but, where was Capt. April?), McCoy & Scotty(what was that lil creature w/ Simon???) 15. Star Trek had ILM help like: Ben Burt, Warren Fu + more. 16.Timeline: ST follow. * Wolvie= ??? When did Emma have a sis * If that's Quicksilver in the crazy-pep straps, who's the lil kid in 1st w/ the basketball * Where was Maverick * Who's Wraith A few Good notes for Wolvie 1.It was a FOX product, they only have 1 more(X-men Origins: Magneto) to f^!% up. 2.Blobs backstory 3.Deadpool's "1st" mission swordplay, probably the best part & Sabertooth's sadistic humor.. Next... Vos -----signature----- Rogue 20 Sith Infiltrator Jedi Diver SVRF P.R. Officer Regional Captain Sac-Rebel Legion
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darthmetalhead2 Registered: Feb '07	Date Posted: 5/13 8:31am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Being more of a trekker in the group I really agree with all your points. Owning the box sets and movies of each spinoff there still is something very unique about the original cast. As much as most people including George Takei who can't stand William Shatner there is nostalgia and I hate to use this phrase but the they were the "Golden Years" of the franchise. So what really stood out for me was that this wasn't a parody of Star Trek because none of the younger actors tried too hard to make it look like the original cast. Yes there were points in the film that gave lots of winks including Chris Pine at the end of the film when he did the Shatner-Kirk shtick (not sure if spelling was right) but throughout the film you felt that Chris Pine as Kirk made is own version of Kirk but once in a while you found subtle nods. Also Karl Urban best know as Eomer in Lord of the Rings played a perfect Leonard "Bones" McCoy previously played by the great DeForest Kelley. Uhura played by Zoe Saldana is actually Latino and the job of makeup on her was just awesome making her look very much like the young Nichelle Nichols. Obviously the rest of the cast such as Zachery Quinto and everyone else did just a great job. One thing that TV Guide mentioned is that the actor who played Chekov played the role as if he was trying to be Russian and the original but in real life he actually really is Russian..I just thought that was great (one side note he will be Kyle Reese in the new Terminator film previously played by Michael Biehn) One last note about the great cast by JJ Abrams is Bruce Greenwood (one of my favorite actors first discovered him in Nowhere Man) played which to me looks a lot like Jeffrey Hunter previously played the character. I know this is a rather lengthy review of the movie from me but I haven't seen the 3rd X-Men or Wolverine yet so I can't comment or compare with numbers..I'll say a few more things about the Star Trek movie though..bare with me... A couple other things that stood out for me was the music. I had my reservations..I was looking for the original fanfare or theme throughout the movie but I'm really glad that the composer Michael Giacchino held back until the very end of the movie including one quick not when Kirk, Spock and Pike beam back to the Enterprise at the end of the movie before blowing up Nero. It gave me a lot more to look forward too without over doing it. The music was fresh and new. But I also could hear small points that referenced the previous Star Trek films from the original cast including Star Trek II and VI (it wasn't obvious but just little notes and motifs.) It was great to hear Majel Barrett play the computer one last time since the Next Generation as well...and of course ILM never ceases to amaze me at all Other than that the movie was just spectacular and I was trying to be unbiased as much as possible..with a great script and the way they fit in Nimoy in the film couldn't have been done any more perfect. Great Job JJ Abrams who previously never seen a movie or episode and made $79 Million since Thursday's advance Screening. I agree with you 100% Susan that it makes me want to pull out the episodes and movies again from the original cast even after Belda and I saw all the Star Treks last year gearing up for this new movie. Well that's my review for now..can't think of anything else but I'll add more if I think of anything..Haven't posted on the board in a while so thought I'd make up for it here being the bigger Star Trek fan in the group. Alex -----signature----- Rogue #31 http://www.myspace.com/babylon5fan07 http://www.flixster.com/user/darthmetalhead1 http://www.myspace.com/ds9legatedamar
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/13 2:40pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own) - Date Edited: 5/13 2:41pm (1 edits total) Edited By: TaintedJedi
	#17.) Star Trek doesn't confused Vibranium (and its origins) with Adamantium. #18.) Star Trek has a much better prologue. #19.) Spock and Kirk's friendship is much believable then the Remy/Logan or Logan/Victor ones. SPOLER NUMBER 20 Stryker's first attempt to ruin Logans life kills a couple senior citizens, gets his project endangered and toasts the best gun-guy he has (oh, and there's the pretend murder of his girlfriend). Nero's blows up Spock's planet AND kills his Mom in front of him. SPOILER -TJ -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/13 2:46pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Quinlan_Vos_1 posted: ]It was a FOX product, they only have 1 more(X-men Origins: Magneto) to f^!% up. And hopefully, that'll never happen. Or at least if they continue with X-Products they'll have the good sense to bring back Bryan Singer and 'fix' their screw-ups like killing Scott in "X4" or this "X-Men: First Class" thing I've heard about... it might not be a bad idea to move away from people like Hallie Berry and focus more on Iceman/Rogue and a couple "old" characters like "Professor Beast", perhaps? -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/14 12:54am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Heh heh... Wolverine: BORE-rigins. I just thought of that. I crack me up some times. -TJ -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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Quinlan_Vos_1 Registered: Sep '07	Date Posted: 5/14 10:19am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	TaintedJedi posted: or this "X-Men: First Class" thing I've heard about... I believe that's the Marvel Studios prod. -----signature----- Rogue 20 Sith Infiltrator Jedi Diver SVRF P.R. Officer Regional Captain Sac-Rebel Legion
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/14 11:58am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Well if they can get it back from FOX, good! -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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DarthZemog Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 5/16 9:59pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	21) Star Trek had a better explanation on why the origins for the original series characters was not going to be the same, aka Nero messing with the timeline. If you're confused by this, watch Back to the Future 2, Doc Brown explains what happens when you mess with the timeline beautifully! JJ Abrams with his version of Star Trek didn't crap all over the original series/source material or the characters that the Trek fans love. Rather he built from the base that Gene Roddenberry had established and developed it to his own unique vision. A nice mesh of the old and the new without really offending the fans. For Wolverine's origin the script writers went the other way, and the comic fans got a great big smack in the face within the first 10 minutes! Its like the script writers said, "wow this is really hard, lets just change it all, no one will mind!" Oh we mind bub. 22) How did they make Wolverines claws look so "perfect"?! I mean they basically just injected/poured the adamantium over his bones, so how did his bone claws which were not too pretty to look at, become the smooth symmetrical claws we see later on?! For that matter, how did they keep the adamantium from just flowing over the joints and in a sense paralyzing him during the process?! And this "trauma" is not enough to drive him insane and cause his memory to be wiped? They needed a "super bullet" to do that? Uh ok, thats just sloppy. 23) Kirk is human, not super human. He can dish out a beating, but he can take one too and when he's out numbered in his fist fight, hes in trouble. EVERYONE in Wolverine regardless of their original mutant power also seemed to have super strength, I guess a by product of being a mutant! Just look at Gambit, he can climb up brick walls by punching his staff into it. Sure I know they'll just say he was charging the ends as he drove them into the wall, but if you have ever climbed a peg board, its not that easy even when you're in good shape! Also, how did he go from being cold cocked by Logan/Jimmy (ugh that bugged me too Jedidoria) to then being on the roof of a building?! So he can teleport too, or did he pole vault with another charge to his staff?! I know its a superhero comicbook movie, but lets not get carried away! Bottom line for me, Star Trek was a 10, Wolverine was a 2. ~DZ -----signature----- Rogue 2 "Are you threatening me Master Jedi?!" "All the Dude ever wanted was his rug back..." "You can't stay in here all day dreaming about heroin and Ziggy Pop." http://darthzemog.deviantart.com
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DarthZemog Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 5/22 4:53pm Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	Hey All, Ok, this is one of the funniest things I've seen! If Wolverine was like this, then I think it would have beaten Star Trek!!! Enjoy, Wolverine,....THE MUSICAL!!!! Wolverine the Musical On a side note, at the end of it, I found a new summer project, Wolverine claws here I come! Later, ~DZ -----signature----- Rogue 2 "Are you threatening me Master Jedi?!" "All the Dude ever wanted was his rug back..." "You can't stay in here all day dreaming about heroin and Ziggy Pop." http://darthzemog.deviantart.com
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TaintedJedi Title: SVRF Officer Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 5/23 3:00am Subject: Three reasons Star Trek didn't suck like Wolverine...(feel free to add your own)
	You just took the wound of wolverine, and rubbed salt in it. ...anyone got any tussin? -TJ -----signature----- No, it's Trekkie... I should know, I invented the thing! - Gene Roddenberry Rogue 8, Call Sign: DARTH DARTH BINKS
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