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DarthAttorney Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/5/06 7:15am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/5/06 7:19am (3 edits total) Edited By: DarthAttorney
	IMO it's quite likely that Harry is a horcrux and in accordance with the prophecy he'll die in his battle with Voledemort but somehow "come back" shortly afterwards through the spirits of his parents blah blah...if Harry is dead when Voldemort is killed (probably by Snape in a classic Vader "breaking free" moment), it makes Voldemort's death final. Harry dies, Voldemorts last horcrux/spirit piece destroyed. Voldemort mortal again, dies, Snape probably dies with him as fallen "Boromir" type of hero. Harry revived, now a Dark Lord-free zone. All dance. Edit: And imo there's much more stock in the Harry Potter world than just Harry's story itself. I can imagine an endless stream of EU-style spin-off's focusing on the adventures of various teachers, Death Eaters, adventurers etc. I think that'd be quite cool. -----signature----- http://www.millenniumfalcon.com OMG I LUB U
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/5/06 7:51am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Ah, yes, Zebra. I thought you were talking about Rowling denying Potter being a Horcrux. Sorry about the confusion. DA - (haha, geddit? I just said DA! . . . uhhh, yeah, sorry, don't mind me) I don't think Snape can kill Voldemort. Doesn't it explicitly say in the prophesy that Harry has to kill him? Sure, he'll be involved somehow, but he can't deliver the final blow.
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DarthAttorney Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:04am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/5/06 8:04am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthAttorney
	Isn't the prohecy something like "...the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives." So if Voldemort kills Harry then the prophecy is still fulfilled, athough he's stitching his own demise. I think that if they both die then Harry will be the one who lives. -----signature----- http://www.millenniumfalcon.com OMG I LUB U
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AmberStarbright Title: FF Halton Canada Banner Artist Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:04am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	This is what it says "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches...born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies...and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not...and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..." -----signature----- "There's enough filth on my robes without you touching them." I Mike http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501317463 Marauder
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:24am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	The Prophecy posted: and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives." Yup, so it has to be Harry that'll deliver the final blow.
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DarthAttorney Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:33am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Not if Voldemort kills Harry, the final horcrux, first. Which in turn would make Voldemort human again. The prophecy stops when one of them kills the other, what happens after the prophecy is fulfilled is anyone's guess. -----signature----- http://www.millenniumfalcon.com OMG I LUB U
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:35am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/5/06 8:38am (2 edits total) Edited By: Zebra3
	Let's look at what the prophesy actually says. This is from Page 841 of the chapte The Lost Prophesy in the American hardback edition of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix: "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approahes... Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies... And the Dark Lord will mark him as an equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not... And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives..." Line one-- tells us that there actually is one that can defeat the Dark Lord once and for all. Pretty straightforward. Line two-- this kid's parents are important too in that they have defied the Dark Lord three times and have lived to tell te tell. The second half tells us that this kid will be born towards the end of July. Of course we now know that this line could have refered to one of two boys: Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom. As of yet in the prophesy there is no way to tell who this prophesy refers to. Line three-- now we know who the prophesy is about (Harry) because it was entirely dependent upon Voldemort chosing either Harry or Neville. It also tells us that Voldemort believes that Harry is the one that will be the threat to his power, marking him an equal by going after him in the first place and (inadvertantly) markng him with the scar. The second half can mean a variety of things. It can eiter mean that Harry actually has an ability that Voldemort doesn't know he can do ... or it could mean that Harry as an ability that Voldemort himself doesn't have the capacity to perform (being able to love, perhaps? That is a strong theme in these books). Or perhaps it's some sort of combination of the two. Line four-- One of them (at least) must die, that much is clear, but it doesn't say that they both won't die, leaving open the possibility that they both might die. However I think it's more likely that only one of them will die and that it will be Voldemort. The second half, "neither can live while the other survives," just seems to reinforce the first part. But it begs the question, if the second part of this line were really true then how exactly have they been able to both exist thus far? -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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TheBoogieMan Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '01	Date Posted: 1/5/06 8:55am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Ah, I understand now DA. Interesting point. I suppose it's anyone's guess as to whether you are right or not. . .
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AmberStarbright Title: FF Halton Canada Banner Artist Registered: Dec '02	Date Posted: 1/5/06 10:16am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/5/06 10:19am (1 edits total) Edited By: AmberStarbright
	Zebra3 posted: Line two-- this kid's parents are important too in that they have defied the Dark Lord three times and have lived to tell te tell. The second half tells us that this kid will be born towards the end of July. Of course we now know that this line could have refered to one of two boys: Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom. As of yet in the prophesy there is no way to tell who this prophesy refers to. Line four-- One of them (at least) must die, that much is clear, but it doesn't say that they both won't die, leaving open the possibility that they both might die. However I think it's more likely that only one of them will die and that it will be Voldemort. The second half, "neither can live while the other survives," just seems to reinforce the first part. But it begs the question, if the second part of this line were really true then how exactly have they been able to both exist thus far? Problem with prohecies is that it is all down to interpretation, example as the 7th month dies. I see that as that it would be the child born on the last day of the month as that is when the month "dies"so to speak, in which case there was never really a choice it just looked like it because Voldemort went after Harry. Again, living can be down to interpretation. Voldemort certainly isn't a nice definition of living and Harry hasn't been having a good life up until this point either. -----signature----- "There's enough filth on my robes without you touching them." I Mike http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501317463 Marauder
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jedichef1 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:21pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Dont forget that the majority of the prophecy means nothing at all unless Harry wants it to. As Dumbledore states Harry can just turn his back on the prophecy and walk away if he so wishes to, it is Voldemort who made the most out of the prophecy and because he attacked Harry and killed his parents he fuelled Harry with the ambition to go after Voldemort to kill him. -----signature----- If so powerful are you why leave. Hogwarts House cup Game 14 Gryffindor Prefect.
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darth_frared Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/5/06 12:39pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	DarthAttorney posted: Not if Voldemort kills Harry, the final horcrux, first. Which in turn would make Voldemort human again. The prophecy stops when one of them kills the other, what happens after the prophecy is fulfilled is anyone's guess. why does the prophecy stop? makes no sense to me. jedichef posted: Dont forget that the majority of the prophecy means nothing at all unless Harry wants it to. nonono, you cannot just ignore a prophecy as you please. they always come true. -----signature----- illegalise stupidity.
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Zebra3 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:35pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/5/06 1:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zebra3
	jedichef1 posted: Dont forget that the majority of the prophecy means nothing at all unless Harry wants it to. I agree. But... remember what Dumbledore said, Harry and Voldemort would both have to walk away. The prophesy concerns the Dark Lord as much as Harry. Now we all know that Voldemort isn't just going to let the whole matter go. Anything that threatens his power or stands in the way of him gaining more power, he always has to be destroy. He's going to do everything in his power to rid himself of the greatest threat to his power and will force a confrontation with Harry. And since we know Harry's character pretty well by now, I think it's safe to say that Harry won't turn from the fight when it's upon him. It's just his nature to do the right thing. What could be more right than ridding the world of someone like Voldemort? So, really, the prophesy means everything right now because both Harry and Voldemort are making it so. -----signature----- recipient of the coveted Corellian Ewokstripes with bronze cluster My icon archive -- > http://zebra3icons.bravehost.com/main1.html I'm currently reading Han Solo's Revenge I'm currently playing Tomb Raider Anniversary
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darth_frared Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:41pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	i don't get how you can say that the prophecy can become invalid. then it's not a prophecy! -----signature----- illegalise stupidity.
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jedichef1 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:50pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	Zebra I agree that because of who they both are they are not going to walk away from the prophecy and what it contains, but it is down to harry really, voldemort is so arrogant that he believes he is undefeatable, harry on the other hand does not feel like this and so could walk away and disapeer via the Fidelius charm, but he is who he is so he wont. -----signature----- If so powerful are you why leave. Hogwarts House cup Game 14 Gryffindor Prefect.
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darth_frared Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 1/5/06 1:52pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
	okay then, ignore me. -----signature----- illegalise stupidity.
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