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yankee8255
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I think I spotted an error; perhaps someone could explain it away. In Snapes' memory, Dumbledore while still alive instructs Snape to be careful and not get killed, or Hogwarts will be left to the Carrows. How could he have known while still alive that those two, of all people, would be sent to work at Hogwarts, much less that Snape would be made Headmaster, after the ministry falls?
Not an error: That happens after DD is dead and Snape has become Headmaster -- Snape is talking to DD's portrait
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I don't understand some of it - Dumbledore's plan was for snape to end up with the Elder's Wand - and then what ? what was snape supposed to do with it ? what was snape supposed to do if he hadn't been killed by V ?
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gezvader28 posted:
I don't understand some of it - Dumbledore's plan was for snape to end up with the Elder's Wand - and then what ? what was snape supposed to do with it ? what was snape supposed to do if he hadn't been killed by V ?
I thought that maybe Dumbledore intended for Harry to kill Snape in revenge so he would acquire the Elder Wand, and Snape didn't allow it the night of Dumbledore's death because Harry had yet to discover what the wand was.
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NateCaauwe posted:
gezvader28 posted:
I don't understand some of it - Dumbledore's plan was for snape to end up with the Elder's Wand - and then what ? what was snape supposed to do with it ? what was snape supposed to do if he hadn't been killed by V ?
I thought that maybe Dumbledore intended for Harry to kill Snape in revenge so he would acquire the Elder Wand, and Snape didn't allow it the night of Dumbledore's death because Harry had yet to discover what the wand was.
Dumbledore is persistent and deceitful, but he's not that cruel. I think he wanted Snape to have the wand because Snape had the skill to keep it safe. He didn't want Harry to make the same mistake he did and go after the hallows instead of the horcruxes. He might have known Snape would die, but if he didn't want Draco to kill, I highly doubt he wanted Harry to murder Snape. Harry had to do enough killing in his life already.
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I think that the idea Dumbledore had was that at a good time, Snape would yield to Harry, allowing the wand to pass to Harry. If Snape yielded, handed Harry his wand, Harry almost certainly would stop trying to kill Snape - that's in Harry's nature. Hopefully long enough for Snape to explain his side of the story, and hopefully, Harry would believe him.
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I think either minch or Raven could be correct, but I especially agree that Dumbledore didn't want Harry to kill Snape.
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What I didn't like was how easily the wand could pass on to another person...Draco had just used a disarming charm and that gets him the Elder wand? That easy? So if someone (in Harry's remaining years) even disarms Harry they would own the Elder wand? Then all they would have to do is find it...
So does disarming someone make you own their wand ? If so how many times has everone been disarmed!
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plo_koom posted:
Well, he just seemed more sad than anything towards the end of the book. He didn't seem so much mean as emotionally empty and just doing what he thought he needed to do to fulfill his destiny.
I get the feeling Harry picked it up too. It was a very powerful conclusion between Harry and Voldemort.
P.S- Did anyone besides me think that Ginny's gift to Harry was going to be something naughty  ?
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Me  I thought that they were going to have sex (or at least she would say that she wanted to) before the interruption.
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I can't help but feel people are being more favourable to this book than they would be otherwise, simply because it's the last one. Good book, and a worthy ending to the series, but it had flaws. The Elder Wand really wasn't properly explained. And the final chapters felt slightly rushed.
They need something else to destroy Horcruxes now the sword has gone. So Ron and Hermione conveniently appear having just popped down to the Chamber of Secrets to get some Basilisk fangs. But how did they get in seeing as they don't speak Parseltongue? Ron made a creepy hissing noise. That's it? That's how he managed to speak an exact command from a completely different language? By making a random hissing noise?
And someone please explain to me: why did Voldemort kill Snape instead of simply disarming him? Now you may say "Voldemort believed you had to kill to gain possession of the wand" but that makes no sense- he could see that Grindewald was still alive even after Dumbledore had become the wand's master.
EDIT: Oh, I though I better add- Snape's story was brilliantly tragic. I always wanted him to be good in the end. In some ways, he's just as much the hero of the series as Harry is.
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NYCitygurl posted:
Me I thought that they were going to have sex (or at least she would say that she wanted to) before the interruption.
Let's put it this way -- Harry was at least going to to get some bare boobage.
Winged_Jedi posted:
I can't help but feel people are being more favourable to this book than they would be otherwise, simply because it's the last one. Good book, and a worthy ending to the series, but it had flaws. The Elder Wand really wasn't properly explained. And the final chapters felt slightly rushed.
They need something else to destroy Horcruxes now the sword has gone. So Ron and Hermione conveniently appear having just popped down to the Chamber of Secrets to get some Basilisk fangs. But how did they get in seeing as they don't speak Parseltongue? Ron made a creepy hissing noise. That's it? That's how he managed to speak an exact command from a completely different language? By making a random hissing noise?
And someone please explain to me: why did Voldemort kill Snape instead of simply disarming him? Now you may say "Voldemort believed you had to kill to gain possession of the wand" but that makes no sense- he could see that Grindewald was still alive even after Dumbledore had become the wand's master.
EDIT: Oh, I though I better add- Snape's story was brilliantly tragic. I always wanted him to be good in the end. In some ways, he's just as much the hero of the series as Harry is.
Voldemort doesn't just disarm Snape because the thought of doing something so limited would never occur to him. For him, defeat means kill. Plain and simple. The extent to which he fails to realize this becomes obvious once you realize that Draco was the master of the wand, not Snape. The thought never occurred to him. Remember, he is fascinated/mortified by death.
As for Snape the hero -- the redeemed hero. He never truly loved Lily until he lost her to death.
As for Ron and the Parseltoungue, IIRC, the command is only one word: open. I could teach you to say that word in German or French (Öffnen/Ouvrir) and you could say each perfectly. Granted, Ron speaking the paseltoungue command is a bit more of a stretch, since he had to remember something Harry said 5 years ago.
As for evaluating/ranking the book, I think people are giving their first impressions. I considered changing my Amph favorite books list to include it, but decided against because I think I need more time to fully digest the book.
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yankee8255 posted:
Voldemort doesn't just disarm Snape because the thought of doing something so limited would never occur to him. For him, defeat means kill. Plain and simple. The extent to which he fails to realize this becomes obvious once you realize that Draco was the master of the wand, not Snape. The thought never occurred to him. Remember, he is fascinated/mortified by death.
I suppose so...but still, if he thought defeat meant kill, he must have wondered why Grindelwald could still be alive when Dumbledore had become the Wand's Master? I know he wasn't exactly desperate to find a way to spare Snape- but he did seem to value him a lot higher than the other Death Eaters...anyway, it doesn't really matter.
On another subject entirely, I've just been looking back at some of the earlier books...it's just very cool. Now that I know what's going to happen in the end...I think it's time for a complete series re-read.
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yankee8255 posted:
As for Ron and the Parseltoungue, IIRC, the command is only one word: open. I could teach you to say that word in German or French (Öffnen/Ouvrir) and you could say each perfectly. Granted, Ron speaking the paseltoungue command is a bit more of a stretch, since he had to remember something Harry said 5 years ago.
Not quite. He heard Harry say it to open the locket, so it was only a few months ago. Still a bit stupid IMHO.
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Hey, what can you say. Harry and Voldemort aren't exactly perfect.
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MarcusP2 posted:
yankee8255 posted:
As for Ron and the Parseltoungue, IIRC, the command is only one word: open. I could teach you to say that word in German or French (Öffnen/Ouvrir) and you could say each perfectly. Granted, Ron speaking the paseltoungue command is a bit more of a stretch, since he had to remember something Harry said 5 years ago.
Not quite. He heard Harry say it to open the locket, so it was only a few months ago. Still a bit stupid IMHO.
I guess the one problem I can see with that is that it was implied that the ability to speak parseltoungue is a power, not just a skill anyone could learn. Still, all in all I didn't mind it, Harry had enough to do without having to run down into the chamber as well. And the "where are Ron and Hermione" tension was good.
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