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Date Posted: 7/25/07 8:06pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Didn't see anything. Though I thought that Petunia wanting to do magic so badly and being jealous of Lily was sad sad

 

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NateCaauwe 
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Date Posted: 7/25/07 8:52pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Yeah, amazing how two characters we hated for so long - Petunia and Snape - ended up having tragic stories regarding Lily, and we really came out feeling quite sorry for the both of them. I choked up a bit when Harry was telling his son that Severus Snape was one of the bravest men he knew.

 

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Date Posted: 7/25/07 9:25pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
NateCaauwe posted:
Yeah, amazing how two characters we hated for so long - Petunia and Snape - ended up having tragic stories regarding Lily, and we really came out feeling quite sorry for the both of them. I choked up a bit when Harry was telling his son that Severus Snape was one of the bravest men he knew.


I don't know why anyone would hate Snape. tongue

 

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Katana_Geldar 
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Date Posted: 7/25/07 11:09pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Snape isn't hated, he's the guy you love to hate. And Harry hated Snape, remember?

 

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 12:37am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/26/07 12:38am (1 edits total) Edited By: Earthknight
Yep. I'm so glad he named his son after him. What's his son's name? Oh yeah, 'Albus Severus'. It has a pretty good ring to it.

 

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Lord_NoONE 
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Date Posted: 7/26/07 6:52am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Harry, it seems, is the head of the auror department and Ron his highly placed there as well. Hermione is an upper level officer in the dept. of magical law enforcement as well. They seem to have revolutionized the world they live in and the ministry is a much better place to be than before. Interesting stuff spilled by Jo on TODAY

 

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 8:24am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Here it is.

^^ Spoilers galore there, btw! happy

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 3:19pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Hmmmmm, well without saying anything about the content, I must say Rowling's projections on the characters are quite, quite different from my speculations. thinking


Rowling on Today posted:
“I’m dealing with a level of obsession in some of my fans that will not rest until they know the middle names of Harry’s great-great-grandparents,” she said. Not that she’s discouraging the Potter devotion!

“I love it,” she said. “I’m all for that.”


Yeah, she knows us. mischief

Has anyone else been looking back at the earlier books to catch the details that show up there? Some things look different in them now after Book 7.

 

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Registered: Sep '02
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Date Posted: 7/26/07 3:44pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/29/07 5:12am (1 edits total) Edited By: MarcusP2
yankee8255 posted:

Winged_Jedi posted:
I can't help but feel people are being more favourable to this book than they would be otherwise, simply because it's the last one. Good book, and a worthy ending to the series, but it had flaws. The Elder Wand really wasn't properly explained. And the final chapters felt slightly rushed.

They need something else to destroy Horcruxes now the sword has gone. So Ron and Hermione conveniently appear having just popped down to the Chamber of Secrets to get some Basilisk fangs. But how did they get in seeing as they don't speak Parseltongue? Ron made a creepy hissing noise. That's it? That's how he managed to speak an exact command from a completely different language? By making a random hissing noise?

And someone please explain to me: why did Voldemort kill Snape instead of simply disarming him? Now you may say "Voldemort believed you had to kill to gain possession of the wand" but that makes no sense- he could see that Grindewald was still alive even after Dumbledore had become the wand's master.

EDIT: Oh, I though I better add- Snape's story was brilliantly tragic. I always wanted him to be good in the end. In some ways, he's just as much the hero of the series as Harry is.




Voldemort doesn't just disarm Snape because the thought of doing something so limited would never occur to him. For him, defeat means kill. Plain and simple. The extent to which he fails to realize this becomes obvious once you realize that Draco was the master of the wand, not Snape. The thought never occurred to him. Remember, he is fascinated/mortified by death.





Can someone please explain to me how Draco was the true master of the Eldar Wand? I really can't remember him taking Dumbledore's wand from his dead body. confused

 

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NateCaauwe 
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Date Posted: 7/26/07 3:50pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/26/07 3:50pm (1 edits total) Edited By: NateCaauwe
Not quite sure why your highlighting isn't working there, but Draco was the one that disarmed Dumbledore, depriving him of a means to defend himself, thus he was the one to technically defeat him, not Snape. At least that's kinda how I figured it. Then again, Dumbledore triggered his own death the year before, so I dunno, maybe a good question for Rowling wink

 

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 4:50pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
leia_naberrie posted:

Can someone please explain to me how Draco was the true master of the Eldar Wand? I really can't remember him taking Dumbledore's wand from his dead body. confused



When Harry and Dumbledore were on the top of the Lightning Struck Tower, Dumbledore heard Draco coming up the stairs and immobilized him. Once Draco burst through the door, he yelled, "Expelliarmus!" and Dumbledore's wand flew out of his hand and tumbled off the tower. Thus Draco disarmed the last master of the Elder Wand. Harry knew of course, having seen the whole thing under the Invisibility Cloak.

What I didn't get was how the Elder Wand knew that Harry had disarmed its last master. The whole issue of Voldemort pointing his wand at Harry and saying "Avada Kedavra" twice kinda got me. So, did Harry NOT die the first time around because the Elder Wand wouldn't kill its master even as it destroyed the part of Voldemort's soul inside Harry (in which case, how did the Elder Wand know that Harry was really its master) or did Harry actually "die" the first time around but was allowed a reprieve because his "death" was a self-sacrifice? In which case, the Elder Wand must have "heard" Harry's discussion with Voldemort in which Harry stated that he had disarmed Draco, i.e. the Elder Wand's last master. Still confused on that point.

 

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 5:00pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Roo, I think it has more to do with the fact that Voldemort had Harry's blood, so that's why harry could come back as Dumbledore explained.

 

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Date Posted: 7/26/07 5:50pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo - Date Edited: 7/26/07 5:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth-Ghost
Harry was saved the first time because of Lily's blood protection of Harry living on in Voldemort.

The Elder Wand did not know Harry was its master until he was duelling Voldemort with Draco's wand, and revealed he had disarmed Draco, and then claimed ownership of the Elder Wand. Wands are described to be quasi-sentient.

That's how I understood it, anyways.

 

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leia_naberrie 
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Date Posted: 7/26/07 10:12pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Thanks for the explanation, guys. Now here's another one:

Why doesn't Harry have two scars at the end?

 

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Katana_Geldar 
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Date Posted: 7/27/07 12:23am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (blacked out spoilers allo
Good question. But isn't it the spells that rebound? Harry got the scar when the Avada Kedavra rebounded off him. I haven't re-read the book, my sister has it, but IIRC it's the spells that rebound off each other.

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