Author Topic: Harry Potter: The Last Horcrux? Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows
Twinky_Stryder 
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Date Posted: 1/7/06 4:20pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
I've got a random idea.

Maybe Voldemort, since GOF, has discovered that Harry (or Harry's scar) is the last Horcrux. And, in an effort to make sure that a)nobody finds this out and b)that bit of his soul doesn't get destroyed, he offers Harry the chance to join the darkside.

OK, you're proberly thinking "Harry would never go for something like that" but think about it a sec, almost every adult who's really cared about Harry is now dead, he's lacking any real role model to morally guide him, he's got a (possibly misguided) vendetta against Snape, he's full of anger, he's had to break up with the love of his life in an attempt to protect her(which may not actually work) and he's torn up with the fact that he is gonna have to become a killer. Voldemort could very easily turn Harry's impulsivness and anger against him in an attempt to turn him evil. Y'know, pull a Palpatine. If he makes the offer sound really good, who's saying Harry wouldn't refuse?

Everyone has a breaking point, even "The Chosen One".

 

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Date Posted: 1/7/06 4:58pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/7/06 5:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Zebra3
Moleman1138 posted:
jedichef1 posted:
I think that the mirror sirius gave harry is more likely than the mirror of erised, oh and boogie voldemort has tried to kill harry since GOF he tried in the MOM but DD bewitched the statue to jump in front of harry to protect him.


However the Mirror of Erised fits as the Ravenclaw heirloom since it has raven claws (no pun intended) if I'm not mistaken.

Quite right. Here's the original description of The Mirror of Erised:

It was a magnigificent mirror, as high as the ceiling, with an ornate gold frame, standing on two clawed feet. There was an inscription carved around the top: Erised stra ehru oyt ube cafru oyt on wohsi.

It certainly is ornate enough to be an artifact of a Hogwarts Founder. Then Dumbledore goes on to say that the mirror shows us the deepest desires of out hearts. That's what the inscription says "I show not your face but your heart's desire." Now Rowena Ravenclaw was supposedly the intellectual or logical one of the founders. What other way could there be to more logicaly study your own desires than to see them presented before your very eyes?

JEDI_TEEGIRLOO posted:
Voldermort tried to possess Harry but he couldnt stand being in him if im correct about that i havent read it in awhile.

Right. Here's what Dumbledore says in chapter 23 of HBP:

"...You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's mind without damage to yourself but he cannot possess you without enduring mortal agony, as he discovered in the Ministry. I do not think he understands why, Harry, but ten he was in such a hurry to mutilate his own soul, he never paused to understand the incomparable power of a soul that is untarnished and whole."

Which was why Voldemort was using Occulmency against Harry in HBP.

 

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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO 
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Date Posted: 1/7/06 7:35pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
Twinky_Stryder posted:
I've got a random idea.

Maybe Voldemort, since GOF, has discovered that Harry (or Harry's scar) is the last Horcrux. And, in an effort to make sure that a)nobody finds this out and b)that bit of his soul doesn't get destroyed, he offers Harry the chance to join the darkside.

OK, you're proberly thinking "Harry would never go for something like that" but think about it a sec, almost every adult who's really cared about Harry is now dead, he's lacking any real role model to morally guide him, he's got a (possibly misguided) vendetta against Snape, he's full of anger, he's had to break up with the love of his life in an attempt to protect her(which may not actually work) and he's torn up with the fact that he is gonna have to become a killer. Voldemort could very easily turn Harry's impulsivness and anger against him in an attempt to turn him evil. Y'know, pull a Palpatine. If he makes the offer sound really good, who's saying Harry wouldn't refuse?

Everyone has a breaking point, even "The Chosen One".


Im not convinced of this theory.

 

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Date Posted: 1/7/06 9:51pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)

My guess is that Harry is going to end up absorbing Voldemort somehow.

I can't see Harry as being willing to kill anyone, even Voldemort, in cold blood when it comes right down to it. He's too good for that. But instead of destroying Voldemort completely and utterly, I could see Harry using the last Horocrux to absorb what's left of Voldemort's soul - something that might be made easier by the connection between the two.

The result would be Harry, but he'd also have all of Voldemort's knowledge. That'd provide a way for things to resolve quickly - none of Voldemort's supporters would have a hope in heck.

 

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Date Posted: 1/7/06 10:02pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/7/06 10:03pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Coruscant
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jedichef1 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 4:48am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
I still have the same problem with the mirror of erised in that Voldemort did not know how to use it or how it worked in PS.

 

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Date Posted: 1/8/06 5:07am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
what about vols wand???wormtail,the durslys

 

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Twinky_Stryder 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 5:26am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
JEDI_TEEGIRLOO posted:
Im not convinced of this theory.


All I'm saying is that if Harry is in an emotionally unstable state he could very possibly be pushed over the edge and, like Anakin, go evil. And Voldemort is exactly the kind of person who would use Harry's emotions and frequent bursts of impelsiveness against him.

I know it's dumb, but it's not as far-fetched as some of the other theories that are floating round the net.

 

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Moleman1138 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 10:14am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
Book 7 will surely take Harry to the limit. Enough to do Avada Kedavra. I don't know. But there will be hate swelling.

 

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Date Posted: 1/8/06 11:23am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
I agree with Raven that I'm not sure Harry can bring himself to do Avada Kadavra on anyone, even Voldemort. It would be more likely that he is destroyed by some other means, something special that only Harry can do, because he's Harry... if that makes sense.

 

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Amon_Amarth 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 3:33pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
Sirius' mirror could fit as the Gryffindor heirloom, but I'd rather see the Gryffindor heirloom come from Godric's Hollow. There's got to be a reason to go back than just to visit the graves. It's definitely in Godric's Hollow.

I like the idea. There is deffinately something in Godric's Hollow.

Book 7 will surely take Harry to the limit. Enough to do Avada Kedavra. I don't know. But there will be hate swelling.

Yeah, I think that too. He used Sectumsempra spell - an evil spell against Malfoy. He hates Snape and Voldemort more than Malfoy, so he'll probably go for Avada Kevadra.
For that Dark Side Harry theory - I'm not sure if he would go 'bad', but there will surely be some temptation. We can see that Harry, his surroundings and the entire atmosphere of HP books grow more darker in each book. I don't think he'll actually turn, but there is a lot of anger and hatered in him; towards Voldemort, towards Snape, towards Malfoy...

 

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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 3:51pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
Amon_Amarth posted:
Sirius' mirror could fit as the Gryffindor heirloom, but I'd rather see the Gryffindor heirloom come from Godric's Hollow. There's got to be a reason to go back than just to visit the graves. It's definitely in Godric's Hollow.

I like the idea. There is deffinately something in Godric's Hollow.

Book 7 will surely take Harry to the limit. Enough to do Avada Kedavra. I don't know. But there will be hate swelling.

Yeah, I think that too. He used Sectumsempra spell - an evil spell against Malfoy. He hates Snape and Voldemort more than Malfoy, so he'll probably go for Avada Kevadra.
For that Dark Side Harry theory - I'm not sure if he would go 'bad', but there will surely be some temptation. We can see that Harry, his surroundings and the entire atmosphere of HP books grow more darker in each book. I don't think he'll actually turn, but there is a lot of anger and hatered in him; towards Voldemort, towards Snape, towards Malfoy...


Right so i think Harry will do Avada Kedarva because it's what has to be done not cause he is becoming evil. Remember neither can live while the other one lives so more likely Harry will do it.

 

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Date Posted: 1/8/06 4:39pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers) - Date Edited: 1/8/06 4:39pm (1 edits total) Edited By: RebelScum77
Who says Voldemort can be killed only through Avada Kedavra? That seems a little too obvious to me. There's got to be something special about his connection to Harry that he doesn't necessarily have to do a spell that any normal wizard is capable of, even if Harry is the only one who can eliminate Voldemort.

 

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JEDI_TEEGIRLOO 
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Date Posted: 1/8/06 4:43pm Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
Well i wasnt saying it's the only option i was saying that Harry wouldnt be afraid to use it im sure if there is other ways Harry will do it whatever is necessarry to kill Voldermort.

 

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jedichef1 
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Date Posted: 1/9/06 12:19am Subject: RE: Harry Potter: The Last Horocrux? Book Seven Speculation (potential spoilers)
I think he may have to do something other than the AV curse, he does not seemto be the kind of person who would use that curse, the only reason he used sectumsempra was because he didnt know what is was and regretted it straight after even if it was against Malfoy.

 

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